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League altering draft choices, draft day trades and other twists of fate in NBA
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:28 pm
So the other day I was looking at past NBA drafts and seemingly every draft contains highly unlikely "twists of fate" that lands a huge player with a team that wouldn't normally have gotten him. Or a future stud gets traded for peanuts before ever even making it to the practice facility of the team that drafted him.
The 2008 Draft is a great example of this.
The Seattle Supersonics finished the previous season with the 2nd worst record in the league and a roughly 56% chance to get a top 3 pick. Chicago, with just a 1.7% chance of getting the 1st pick, won the lottery. Last place Heat got the 2nd pick and 3rd to last Minny got the 3rd pick. The Thunder ended up with the 4th pick. That 4th pick was Russell Westbrook, an All NBA player with MVP potential. If they picked 2nd or 3rd do they take Mayo or Beasley instead? Maybe an OKC fan can shed some light on where Westbrook fell on their big board.
Minny took OJ Mayo third, but then traded him in a package to Memphis for a package with their 5th overall pick, Kevin Love, that night. Think of what Memphis could have done offensively with a Gasol, Love front court.
The Spurs took Goran Dragic with the 45th pick, but then traded him that night to Phoenix for their 48th pick and cash. The 48th pick was Malik Hairston, who didn't make it past training camp. Just think what the Spurs would be like with a guard rotation of Parker, Ginobli, and Dragic the past few years.
Anyone have other examples of future studs getting dealt on draft night for virtually nothing? Any unlikely lotto outcomes that ended up being a HUGE win for the team that "got screwed" in the lottery?
ETA: Not talking about guys who just got passed over ie Oden over Durant or Bowie over Jordan (lol Portland).
The 2008 Draft is a great example of this.
The Seattle Supersonics finished the previous season with the 2nd worst record in the league and a roughly 56% chance to get a top 3 pick. Chicago, with just a 1.7% chance of getting the 1st pick, won the lottery. Last place Heat got the 2nd pick and 3rd to last Minny got the 3rd pick. The Thunder ended up with the 4th pick. That 4th pick was Russell Westbrook, an All NBA player with MVP potential. If they picked 2nd or 3rd do they take Mayo or Beasley instead? Maybe an OKC fan can shed some light on where Westbrook fell on their big board.
Minny took OJ Mayo third, but then traded him in a package to Memphis for a package with their 5th overall pick, Kevin Love, that night. Think of what Memphis could have done offensively with a Gasol, Love front court.
The Spurs took Goran Dragic with the 45th pick, but then traded him that night to Phoenix for their 48th pick and cash. The 48th pick was Malik Hairston, who didn't make it past training camp. Just think what the Spurs would be like with a guard rotation of Parker, Ginobli, and Dragic the past few years.
Anyone have other examples of future studs getting dealt on draft night for virtually nothing? Any unlikely lotto outcomes that ended up being a HUGE win for the team that "got screwed" in the lottery?
ETA: Not talking about guys who just got passed over ie Oden over Durant or Bowie over Jordan (lol Portland).
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 5:35 pm
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:30 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Not for virtually nothing but a trade that boiled down to kobe for vlade divac will always come to mind
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:31 pm to WestCoastAg
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Not for virtually nothing but a trade that boiled down to kobe for vlade divac will always come to mind
But wasn't there sort of an Eli Manning situation where Kobe was always going to go to the Lakers no matter who took him?
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:33 pm to JohnnyKilroy
yes
and he was 1 year post KG. high schoolers weren't aceepted as solid investments back in those days
and he was 1 year post KG. high schoolers weren't aceepted as solid investments back in those days
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:34 pm to JohnnyKilroy
i mean, he made it known that he wanted to play for the lakers but unless im missing something, i dont think it was like a situation where he was going to hold out on
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
and further than that, high schoolers that werent seven feet were unheard of
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:37 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Spurs trading George Hill for a pick that ended up being Kawhi Leonard.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:52 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Minnesota in 2009 drafted like 4 PG's...passed over Curry.
Took Jonny Flynn #5 overall. The other PG's they drafted & traded included Ty Lawson IIRC & another pg who ended up making it in the league.
Took Rubio as well stashed overseas for 2 years off top of my head.
Dumb. Must suck being a wolves fan.
Took Derrick Willuams #2 overall a year or 2 later. Bust.
Took Jonny Flynn #5 overall. The other PG's they drafted & traded included Ty Lawson IIRC & another pg who ended up making it in the league.
Took Rubio as well stashed overseas for 2 years off top of my head.
Dumb. Must suck being a wolves fan.
Took Derrick Willuams #2 overall a year or 2 later. Bust.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:56 pm to JohnnyKilroy
How about the Denver Nuggets drafting Nikoloz Tskitivislilsometing with the 5th pick, when no one in the organization had ever even seen him play in person.
He sucked. A lot.
I know this isn't about busts per se, but the notion that people hired to be in the front office of a professional sports operation could be that lazy and careless is mind boggling.
He sucked. A lot.
I know this isn't about busts per se, but the notion that people hired to be in the front office of a professional sports operation could be that lazy and careless is mind boggling.
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:57 pm to Tigerfan56
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Spurs trading George Hill for a pick
And I was mad about that at the time
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:57 pm to AjaxFury
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Dumb. Must suck being a wolves fan.
Seriously...Minnesota in 2009 had their choice of any point guard, they took Rubio (who was stashed) and Flynn (sucks).
Passed on: Curry, Jennings, Holiday, Lawson, Teague, Maynor, and Douglas.
Then took Wesley Johnson > Cousins in 2010
To be fair, Cleveland was pretty horrid too. All those top 4 picks and "lucky" 1st overalls and they couldn't do much outside of Kyrie.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:59 pm to Tigerfan56
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Spurs trading George Hill for a pick that ended up being Kawhi Leonard.
That was actually a draft day trade. Even worse.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:02 pm to JohnnyKilroy
What if the rockets traded Sampson for Chicago's 3rd pick (MJ)?
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:04 pm to REG861
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How about the Denver Nuggets drafting Nikoloz Tskitivislilsometing with the 5th pick, when no one in the organization had ever even seen him play in person.
That is so bad hahaha
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:05 pm to Dire Wolf
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What if the rockets traded Sampson for Chicago's 3rd pick (MJ)?
Please don't even joke, you'd NEVER hear the end of Boom.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:07 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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ETA: Not talking about guys who just got passed over ie Oden over Durant
I still think this is an interesting one. People always talk about the OKC model of rebuilding though the draft but how much of that was luck? If they had the 1st pick would they have taken Oden?
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:07 pm to JohnnyKilroy
1985 Mavs drafted Detlef Schrempf over Karl Malone (making him cry). Obvious domino effect with Stockton pairing.
Why Mavs did this? Who knows...they had Mark Aguirre at SF, Blackmam at SG, Derek Harper at PG. Sam Perkins drafted over Barkley in 1984 (stretch 4)
With Malone at PF, wouldn't of drafted Tarpley in 1987 (beast) who was Kemp before Kemp & coke'd out of the league by 1990's.
Traded Schrempf for fricking Herb Williiams str8 up....Schremof went on to be 6th man of year & pivotal role on Sonics & Pacers contenders. Herb retired a year or two later.
Mavs flirted with worst record all time cuz these dominos in 1992 & wouldn't of had a high pick likely in 1998 to acquire Dirk, so 2006 & 2011 finals would be different
Why Mavs did this? Who knows...they had Mark Aguirre at SF, Blackmam at SG, Derek Harper at PG. Sam Perkins drafted over Barkley in 1984 (stretch 4)
With Malone at PF, wouldn't of drafted Tarpley in 1987 (beast) who was Kemp before Kemp & coke'd out of the league by 1990's.
Traded Schrempf for fricking Herb Williiams str8 up....Schremof went on to be 6th man of year & pivotal role on Sonics & Pacers contenders. Herb retired a year or two later.
Mavs flirted with worst record all time cuz these dominos in 1992 & wouldn't of had a high pick likely in 1998 to acquire Dirk, so 2006 & 2011 finals would be different
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:20 pm to Tigerfan56
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Spurs trading George Hill for a pick that ended up being Kawhi Leonard.
I was so mad when they did that
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:31 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Nowitzki AND cash for Tractor Traylor
Westbrook at 4 was a surprise, a lot of experts had Jerryd Bayless rated higher.
The Magic wasting the #11 pick on Fran Vasquez who never even came over from Europe was dumb as hell.
Westbrook at 4 was a surprise, a lot of experts had Jerryd Bayless rated higher.
The Magic wasting the #11 pick on Fran Vasquez who never even came over from Europe was dumb as hell.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:45 pm to TheWalrus
Westbrook was all over the place but a lot of analysts had him in the top 5. IIRC (one of the thunder fo guys spoke about their draft) they liked Westbrook over oj mayo and decided between him and Brook Lopez.
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