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re: LE TOUR v.110: All Things Tour de France 2023-That's a Wrap! Results in Post 2
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:12 am to Cdawg
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:12 am to Cdawg
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yep. Said it over the radio and now we have a clusterhump on the steepest part.
Ah just heard it. His team director sounded defeated too. Needs yates to make the podium
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:13 am to Drank
Welp, this is over, time to start prepping for the Transcontinental Race.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:14 am to JimTiger72
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I mean when stuff like this is said about cyclists, I lose interest.
That's a shame. I mean that sincerely, not being a smart arse. This is quite exciting to watch. All my opinion only of course.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:19 am to Drank
I sort of share his feeling though, I'm a very casual watcher of the Tour, Pog's ride yesterday was eyebrow raising, then to have Jonas just crush him? And now they're talking about Jonas maybe winning the stage and running dudes down up a 20% gradient? It's tough not to be suspicious.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:23 am to YOURADHERE
Yeah I agree with you two. I'm not stupid, I know they're all doped. But I at least like it to look believable. These are surpassing the things Armstrong was getting piss thrown on him for. Listening to things like "wow this is superhuman, we've never seen anything like this" kind of kills it for me. Super entertaining and impressive, but the magic seems gone when it goes too far.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:24 am to Ingeniero
Even the airstrip has a gradient 
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:31 am to BlackCoffeeKid
Tadej is a broken, broken man. That was painful to watch
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:33 am to Drank
7:34"
100% over.
100% over.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:33 am to Ingeniero
Pretty curious to how Pog responds to this next season. Jonas is clearly the best grand tour rider currently but Pog doesnt base his entire season around the tour like Jonas does. Will be interesting to see if he does the classics again next year or he goes all in on the tour next year. He previously stated winning the Tour of Flanders was his main objective this year and he accomplished that. But at what cost to his training regiment? The classics are more about being punchy and repeatability of those short efforts where as the tour is obviously about the longer efforts. I think he has it in him to morph his power profile to something more resembling Jonas but I guess only time will tell. Until next year boys. 
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:51 am to Ingeniero
yeah i hope this isn't another case where the winner gets busted for something after the fact. i know doping is a part of bike racing but damn i wanted this to be real.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:57 am to JimTiger72
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Doping ruined the most dominant era of this sport & it’s obvious that Jonas has a major advantage this year
yep
pogocar appeared like someone who gave their all yesterday. Vingo went thermonuclear again today. Whatever JV have is either some new stuff that is not on the testing menu or some new way to hide blood bags. If I was one of the other teams, I'd be raising holy hell right now at the UCI
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:36 am to nvcowboyfan
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Fastest Ascents
COL DE LA LOZE FROM MERIBEL (11,2km; 8,54%; 956m)
2023 | 32'59 | VINGEGAARD
2020 | 33'51 | Lopez
2020 | 34'06 | Roglic
2023 | 34'09 | GALL
2020 | 34'21 | Pogacar
2023 | 34'29 | S.YATES
2020 | 34'47 | Kuss
2020 | 34'52 | Porte
2023 | 35'00 | A.YATES
This includes the motorcycle debacle
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:45 am to Drank
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Tadej is a broken, broken man. That was painful to watch
This sport is brutally honest and your weaknesses will be identified eventually. He’s a shell of the rider he was those first two weeks. I really think chasing that alien around France for two weeks about killed him. He looks pale and has to me for several days. His long spring season and particularly his less than ideal lead into the tour didn’t help and maybe why he’s were he’s at now
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:24 pm to nvcowboyfan
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Whatever JV have is either some new stuff that is not on the testing menu or some new way to hide blood bags. If I was one of the other teams, I'd be raising holy hell right now at the UCI
They all know what's going on between the teams. Look what Pog did his first Tour win. That year was insane what they were doing. Nobody is pulling the wool. The Spring races are catching up to him. No other Tour winner has done what he's done this spring that I can recall. well Merckx. The guy almost swept the Ardennes classics, won Flanders, Paris-Nice. The early stages where they were exchanging punches is taking a toll too. Jonas and his team came ready to win the Tour.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 1:01 pm to Cdawg
So did Pog crack today? Will I need to watch the last hour tonight? Yesterday with that TT was incredible to watch, even knowing the results.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 1:07 pm to sms151t
Pog cracked. He said across the radio "I'm gone, I'm dead." And then in the post-race they asked him how he felt and he laughed and said "I'm fricked"
Posted on 7/19/23 at 2:14 pm to JimTiger72
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I mean when stuff like this is said about cyclists, I lose interest.
Not me.
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Doping ruined the most dominant era of this sport
Not at all. Rules were broken but no one got cheated. It was an even playing field. WADA determined that Armstrong doped less than his competitors and did less to hide it, yet he still won. He was undoubtedly the best in the world. He worked harder, he worked smarter, and he was possessed - oh and he beat cancer with a 20% chance, tops, to live.
I don't know how this can fail to interest, inspire, and motivate.
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it’s obvious that Jonas has a major advantage this year
Maybe. Let's see what the doping tests reveal. At this level, there aren't many secrets, generally. Word gets around on new training techniques, nutrition, PEDs etc. My curiosity is if he has stumbled upon something, legal or otherwise, that aids his recovery, and if that is the difference. Pog is cooked and Jonas is still going strong. To me that suggests recovery. That could be just Jonas at his biological peak as a human, and he may never be at this level ever again. Could be PEDs. Still fun to watch.
I feel bad for Pog, as he is doing everything he can. But it was just a couple years ago that people said the same about him as he dominated this race.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 2:36 pm to POTUS2024
I saw a video from Phil Gaimon in my youtube feed so I'm giving it a look - the talk of doping is all the rage in the cycling world and he's going to address it, so I'll put notes below:
- Says the margin of victory was large on the ITT but the race was very close prior to the ITT. Apparently it was the closest the TDF has ever been at that stage of the race.
- Says a time trial is where 'resources' show the most. Thinks Jonas had things dialed in with the bike, his position on the TT bike etc, "seeing 20 seconds for all the geeky stuff, ceramic bearings etc" "seeing 20 seconds for bike handling" "15 seconds for ill advised bike change", and Pog was worn out over the past two weeks, coming off injury and so forth.
- People asked him if Jumbo is dirty. He says no, they just have 4x the budget and they focus on certain races.
- He is not reassuring people that everything is clean, and says if you go on the bus you'll probably see some pills you don't want to see etc.
- Says that if there was doping it was probably done months ago, outside the window of constant testing and such.
- Says it's not like the old days with blood bags on rest days.
- Then talks today's stage and the carnage, revisits doping. Goes back to the likely plan to wear Pog down over two weeks, the brutal stage, how much marginal gains affect cycling etc.
Pretty good video YouTube
- Says the margin of victory was large on the ITT but the race was very close prior to the ITT. Apparently it was the closest the TDF has ever been at that stage of the race.
- Says a time trial is where 'resources' show the most. Thinks Jonas had things dialed in with the bike, his position on the TT bike etc, "seeing 20 seconds for all the geeky stuff, ceramic bearings etc" "seeing 20 seconds for bike handling" "15 seconds for ill advised bike change", and Pog was worn out over the past two weeks, coming off injury and so forth.
- People asked him if Jumbo is dirty. He says no, they just have 4x the budget and they focus on certain races.
- He is not reassuring people that everything is clean, and says if you go on the bus you'll probably see some pills you don't want to see etc.
- Says that if there was doping it was probably done months ago, outside the window of constant testing and such.
- Says it's not like the old days with blood bags on rest days.
- Then talks today's stage and the carnage, revisits doping. Goes back to the likely plan to wear Pog down over two weeks, the brutal stage, how much marginal gains affect cycling etc.
Pretty good video YouTube
Posted on 7/19/23 at 2:38 pm to POTUS2024
Apparently as Jonas was closing in on the front on the ascent a moto blocked the race director's car and thus blocked Jonas hampering him. He may HAVE caught Gall. I had no idea and did not see that.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 2:47 pm to Drank
One of those was Vande Velde’s moto. It’s worth going watch the USA feed during that moment.
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