re: LE TOUR v.110: All Things Tour de France 2023-That's a Wrap! Results in Post 2

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There's definitely some new drugs that aren't detectable yet. It's the only way to explain what we're seeing that is at all rational.

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Yeah historical data is starting to pop up on Twitter that this is the largest ever ITT gap in seconds/km. Bigger than Ullrich, Lance, Indurain, all of them.

I'm not mad, I just want to know what he's on that's making such a difference!

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This is the best time trial ever ridden in TDF history.
To put this much time into Pogacar in a 30 minute time trial with a climb that should favor Pogi is not normal.

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As Lemond said of Armstrong's performances: "Unbelievable"

Some of the times and w/kg Vingegaard is putting up is just unbelievable.

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Do I need to watch todays stage. At a conference this week. So let me know please

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Just watch Jonas' performance. It was a historic blitzing of the course.

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MF Naichaca
@NaichacaCycling
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8m
#TDF2023, Stage 16
????JONAS VINGEGAARD

Côte de Domancy to Combloux (6,05km; 6,84%; 414m)

13'21min
27,19km/h
1861 VAM
7,60?w/kg (est.)
CLIMBING RECORD

I have never seen anything like it.

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On a TT bike...

I don't really care if they're doped unless it's mechanical. Surely they are going to xray bikes if not tear them apart to rule that out.

There have been rumors for years that inhaling Xenon gas provides a real boost to hematocrit - very fast acting and gets out of the system within hours. But if that was the case, every rider would huff Xenon and they'd all be on the same level. Whatever the new secret is...is it a buffering compound to elevate lactate threshold? (this is next to impossible) Enhance recovery?

Or, could we see these numbers strictly through improvements in the bikes?

Beating Wout and Pog like that is just crazy, especially the climbing differential against Pog while Pog is on his climbing rig and Jonas on a TT bike.

Again, I don't really care unless there are motors involved. If we're looking at new PEDs, and if they are safe, get those things out to the market immediately. There's no telling what clinical populations might be able to benefit from these things.

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clinical populations might be able to benefit from these things.

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That’s where most of this stuff comes from…think epo. It was used on cancer patients before it hit the peloton. Most of this stuff has legal uses before it becomes a dopers dream. This subject is so complex.

Remind me, are you the guy who was on the mountain with the LSU gear that we saw on the broadcast?

That was me. It was all the better because TDF was one of the first large public gatherings after COVID lockdowns and I was one of very few Americans fortunate to be there. Here are the pics from the thread. (WVA) (Kuss) (Pogacar)

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I guess since that was the plan and what he practiced but still that’s probably an additional :30

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clearly decelerating, hopping off and back onto another bike..re-accelerating..killed pog.

i just cant imagine a climbing bike would provide that much of an advantage to be worth killing your rhythm over.

wonder if pog's time would have been closer to vinny if he had just kept his head down & his watts up and skipped the bike change crap.

aero bikes still cut through the wind even on climbs where you're not going as fast and who knows where/how/what the wind was doing during both performances.

Johan thinks the plan for TJV before the Tour was to go hard on the attack on Stage 17, which is a brutal stage. He thinks they'll stick to that plan. I'd think they would just mark Pog and that's it, but I guess we'll see.