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re: Kobe is the MVP so far this year
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:57 pm to WITNESS23
Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:57 pm to WITNESS23
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So he would have carried the team with or without Shaq is what you're saying
I'm not saying that but too many people claim he only won those titles cause of Shaq but Shaq wouldn't have won them without Kobe either. Michael never wins a championship without Scottie. Lebron had D Wade and Bosh and he flat out choked in the Finals. No matter what he did during the playoffs, in the Finals he choked. You can't argue that
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Posted on 1/11/12 at 3:59 pm to YoungJR24
I even give him a pass for when they got swept in the Finals against the Spurs because he didn't have a sidekick and that Spurs team was great
Posted on 1/11/12 at 4:10 pm to YoungJR24
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Michael never wins a championship without Scottie.
I disagree with this totally.
Im not getting into the James stat lovers argument. Watch a replay of last years finals or the Celtics series the year before or the Orlando series the year before.
James has Wizard of Oz desease. No Heart, No Brain, No Courage. His talent isnt his problem.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 4:16 pm to TheBadgerOfHoney
I havent read through the entire thread but 
at people acting like this is crazy.
Lebron has definitely had the best season so far, but Kobe has been the clear #2. When you consider what they are playing with and where their teams would be without each, I think Kobe has a pretty solid case as MVP. Without LeBron the Heat would still be one of the favorites to win the East, without Kobe the Lakers would miss the playoffs. If the voting happened now it would come down to how many voters took the "value" part of MVP literally and how many voters don't.
at people acting like this is crazy. Lebron has definitely had the best season so far, but Kobe has been the clear #2. When you consider what they are playing with and where their teams would be without each, I think Kobe has a pretty solid case as MVP. Without LeBron the Heat would still be one of the favorites to win the East, without Kobe the Lakers would miss the playoffs. If the voting happened now it would come down to how many voters took the "value" part of MVP literally and how many voters don't.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 4:20 pm to bomber77
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I disagree with this totally.
Really? Man people don't realize how good Scottie Pippen was. Great scorer, best defender in his era, Top 50 in the NBA all-time, 7 time all star, 3 time first team all nba, 8 time all defensive first team, and finished 3rd in the MVP vote in 95 when Jordan went to play baseball
Posted on 1/11/12 at 4:25 pm to YoungJR24
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Really? Man people don't realize how good Scottie Pippen was. Great scorer, best defender in his era, Top 50 in the NBA all-time, 7 time all star, 3 time first team all nba, 8 time all defensive first team, and finished 3rd in the MVP vote in 95 when Jordan went to play baseball
Pippen was great but people forget that if he wasnt there someone else would be. Several players could have been plugged into his slot imo.
If anyone thinks Jordan was going to be denied for his career they are nuts.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 4:44 pm to bomber77
Yeah, the Bulls don't go for two separate three-peats without Pippen, but there's no way in hell Jordan wasn't winning a few titles with or without him. Some of the extreme Kobe fans like to downplay MJ
Posted on 1/11/12 at 4:52 pm to bomber77
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Pippen was great but people forget that if he wasnt there someone else would be. Several players could have been plugged into his slot imo.
Michael Jordan played 5 seasons without Pippen. He had a LOSING season every time.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 5:01 pm to theunknownknight
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Michael Jordan played 5 seasons without Pippen. He had a LOSING season every time.
Dont forget that MJ became a much better player as time went on as well. In fact I think his year to year improvments to his game is unmatched in number of years. Most players I feel hit their peak after 3 or 4 years then just play out their careers at that level.
I know you dont like MJ but the man is the GOAT!
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 1/11/12 at 5:56 pm to TheBadgerOfHoney
pretty sure this is theunknownknight's alter.
op hasn't posted since the op.
yet theunknownknight is posting in the majority of this thread
op hasn't posted since the op.
yet theunknownknight is posting in the majority of this thread
This post was edited on 1/11/12 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 1/11/12 at 6:00 pm to Hullabaloo
ask for an alter check. good luck.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 6:24 pm to theunknownknight
If Kobe switches spots with Lebron last year, the Heat win it all IMHO.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 6:25 pm to NOLAHornet4LIFE
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If Kobe switches spots with Lebron last year, the Heat win it all IMHO.
germans
Posted on 1/11/12 at 6:46 pm to Breadstick Gun
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All these teams without their star guy would beat the Heat without Lebron? Honestly?
Magic is the only team that would lose a 7 game series. Bynum is the real MVP of the Lakers.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 6:57 pm to ZTiger87
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Bynum is the real MVP of the Lakers.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 7:27 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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True, I may have exagerrated in my previous post. I haven't been paying much attention to the NBA so far, honestly. The last time I looked he wasn't top 10 in PER, looks like he got a huge bump from his game last night though
PER:
1. Lebron - 35 (a fricking joke, that number does not even make sense)
2. Ginobili - 26 or 27 I think, but now injured
3. Kobe - 26 something
If the lockout were to spontaneously reappear, then I would vote Lebron MVP and Kobe runner-up.
Posted on 1/11/12 at 7:44 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Just seeing this thread, are the Chris Paul is better than Kobe people in this thread?
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:03 pm to dj30
Kobe might be going for 40 again tonight
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:19 pm to NOLAHornet4LIFE
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If Kobe switches spots with Lebron last year, the Heat win it all IMHO.
devil's advocate here... but if you gave lebron kobe's: gasol, bynum, and odom I like his chances of at least making the finals on the lakers. there wouldn't have been any dispute about who was supposed to lead the team... if you put kobe on the heat would he and wade have issues?
probably a mistake to post that but it was what sprang to my mind considering teh quoted opinion
Posted on 1/11/12 at 9:32 pm to theunknownknight
He needs to give up on the fricking three pointers
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