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re: Kirk Herbstreit worried for college football: "What the hell is happening to our sport?"
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:33 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:33 pm to ReauxlTide222
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But how many times will a team that doesn’t win their division be as great as that Alabama team?
It depends. We won’t get to find out how good some of those teams are. Like I mentioned, the Ohio State gift a few years ago was worse. They had 1 loss, to Penn State. Penn State won the division, won the conference, but had 2 losses. Ohio State earned the invite and was hammered.
When a team beats you head to head and has arguably more credentials, they use the ‘eye test’ to justify a biased selection.
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:39 pm to StupidBinder
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t your original point that fewer teams have have been “in it” during the CFP era than we did during the first six years of the BCS?
Do you think that might have to do with the fact that we’ve had two incredibly dominant programs during the CFP whereas we didn’t during the beginning of the BCS?
i guess i was misreading your post
we have had dominant teams before of course, from 1993-2001 either Florida St or Nebraska played for the NC, with 1 of them winning 5, but then again, winning your conference or just finishing in the top 10 was considered a successful season.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:41 pm to RLDSC FAN
I said this when we went to a playoff. Typically , playoffs devalue a regular season . In 2007 , A game in week 2 (LSU va tech) to help decide who would play for the national championship, no way that ever happens in a playoff system.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:42 pm to TexasTiger08
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When a team beats you head to head and has arguably more credentials, they use the ‘eye test’ to justify a biased selection.
in that particular case it was straight record, as you noted tOSU had 1 loss and Penn State 2.
tOSU was on the wrong end in 2017, they won the B1G but had 2 losses and 1 loss Bama was selected while the coaches got to recruit during the Conference Title games instead of playing.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:43 pm to RLDSC FAN
As with all other aspects of society, social media is a big problem with this. This was a massive, massive part of making the sport feel less regional. When it became less regional and more national, it lost a lot of what made it so great in the first place.
I can't point to one specific point in time where the "you either win the title or you don't" mindset took over sports, but it is definitely a thing now.
I believe another problem is the NBA. These kids see the inmates run the asylum in that league and think that's how it should be in football too. Look at what happened to Mike Gundy this summer all because he wore a damn shirt.
I think one solution to this is to stop lowering admissions standards for athletes. This would be one way to weed out some of the guys who "aren't there to play school".
Unfortunately though, college football as we knew and loved it is probably lost forever. I don't think we'll ever have that regional feel to it again where a 9-2 season and wins over your rivals is considered successful.
I can't point to one specific point in time where the "you either win the title or you don't" mindset took over sports, but it is definitely a thing now.
I believe another problem is the NBA. These kids see the inmates run the asylum in that league and think that's how it should be in football too. Look at what happened to Mike Gundy this summer all because he wore a damn shirt.
I think one solution to this is to stop lowering admissions standards for athletes. This would be one way to weed out some of the guys who "aren't there to play school".
Unfortunately though, college football as we knew and loved it is probably lost forever. I don't think we'll ever have that regional feel to it again where a 9-2 season and wins over your rivals is considered successful.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:44 pm to RLDSC FAN
You have cucks like pj saying he would rather lose to his rivals to get the coach fired rather than beating the teams you hate and giving your kids something to fight for and believe in.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:44 pm to H-Town Tiger
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in that particular case it was straight record, as you noted tOSU had 1 loss and Penn State 2.
Yeah, the committee fricked that one up big time. OSU and PSU both had 11 wins and PSU beat OSU head to head. That was the day the committee decided that the results on the field don't matter as much as the eye test and brand recognition.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:46 pm to VADawg
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I think one solution to this is to stop lowering admissions standards for athletes. This would be one way to weed out some of the guys who "aren't there to play school".
This is the real answer, but there's too much money at stake for it to be an actual solution.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:47 pm to H-Town Tiger
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we have had dominant teams before of course
The thing is, other than 95 nebraska even the dominant teams never seemed unbeatable. In other words if #1 in any given season prior to the 2010s was playing like number 8 or 10 or something, you still kinda felt like maybe we'd see an upset. Fast forward to present day. Alabama has a zero percent chance at getting knocked off by fricking iowa state or cincinnati. Zero.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:48 pm to lsulefty5
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We havent seen the baseball example yet, but its going to happen at some point.
I really hope not. College baseball is scoffed at by many but I love it
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:51 pm to StupidBinder
quote:Stop it.
Then you have “lesser teams” going to the major bowl games, which the bowls absolutely would never want.
There would be plenty fantastic games.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:52 pm to evil cockroach
The playoff has been awful for college football. Adding more teams to the playoff would just compound the problem. There was nothing wrong with the BCS. There probably weren’t problems with the way things were before the BCS but I’m not old enough to speak to that. I also think that conference expansion has been bad for college football.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:53 pm to red sox fan 13
quote:How about keep college sports the way they are and tell the NFL to get rid of their dumbass draft rule and tell idiot media and fans stop celebrating quitters and using the phrase "opt out"
To remedy these issues, I would allow players to make money in college by profiting off of their own name, image and likeness. If you still think college football is all about amateurism these days, especially at big programs, I don't know what to tell you. But the NCAA lives that lie.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:59 pm to ReauxlTide222
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But how many times will a team that doesn’t win their division be as great as that Alabama team?
It wasn’t WILD that Alabama got in.
but that's besides the point, you said winning the conference was important, TWICE now Alabama was finished 2nd in the SEC West and won the national title. You would not trade 2011 seasons with LSU or 2017 seasons with UGA. Winning the conference is devalued. In fairness i guess to Bama, it started in 2001 and 2003.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:00 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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tell idiot media and fans stop celebrating quitters and using the phrase "opt out"
The media is a gigantic problem. They have, for whatever reason, tried to convince a lot of these kids that they are the modern say equivalent of slave labor, which is disgraceful. The kids fall for it hook, line and sinker.
And I agree with the second part too. Anyone who leaves the team before they're draft eligible is a quitter and should be treated as such. I'm afraid what we're going to see happen from here out is someone has a Clowney-esque freshman season and then spend the next two years "preparing for the draft".
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:00 pm to VerlanderBEAST
It’s coming for schools like bama
Post saban they are going to fight the same thing
Get to the league ASAP
Post saban they are going to fight the same thing
Get to the league ASAP
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:05 pm to RLDSC FAN
Just looking at the CFB rankings now it's clear only 6 teams have a shot at the playoff at this point in the year. And realistically I'm 90% sure who will be the final 4 teams by selection day. No suspense whatsoever. And this seems to always happen by this point in the season. For a casual outsider, it has to be relatively boring.
At least with the BCS the suspense of not knowing who would play for the title lasted until the conference championship games. And before the BCS, the suspense lasted all the way until New Years day when they crowned a champion.
At least with the BCS the suspense of not knowing who would play for the title lasted until the conference championship games. And before the BCS, the suspense lasted all the way until New Years day when they crowned a champion.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:11 pm to beaverfever
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The playoff has been awful for college football. Adding more teams to the playoff would just compound the problem
all but 3 of the first round games have been blow outs so think expanding would be more of that, than the 5-8 seeds winning the title.
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There was nothing wrong with the BCS. There probably weren’t problems with the way things were before the BCS but I’m not old enough to speak to that.
there were most certainly problems with both. 2018 and 19 there would have been an undefeated team left out of the BCS (19 it likely would have been the reigning National Champs). You had that in 2004 and 2001 and 2003 had teams that did not win their conference make the title game (both lost which made it even worse).
Before that it was a true Mythical National Title but IMO the push for a 1 vs 2 matchup started with 1986 when Miami and Penn State, both independents at the time. The Fiesta Bowl and NBC upped the Fiesta Bowl payout (which was less than the other big bowls at the time, that was a big deal) and moved the game to prime time Jan 2. After that the push for a 1 v 2 matchup every year eventually lead to the BCS
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I also think that conference expansion has been bad for college football.
i agree with this as well
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
Another factor i think for CFB is the expansion of bowl games. In the late 90s there were around 18 or so bowls, making a bowl was a goal and a reward, now its so standard, simply making it doesn't even save a coaches job.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:16 pm to RLDSC FAN
Idc what yall say. I love me some Kirk Herbtreit and he's a really really smart and likeable guy.
He's 100% right about this too. He hit the nail on the head about everything.
He's 100% right about this too. He hit the nail on the head about everything.
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