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re: Kirk Herbstreit worried for college football: "What the hell is happening to our sport?"
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:59 pm to StupidBinder
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:59 pm to StupidBinder
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4 of the 12 teams that have played in for the championship in the CFP were 3/4 seeds. Two of those 4 seeds won.
i fail to see how any of that is relevant. Clemson was a 3 seed last year, they were also undefeated and the reigning champs. 1 of the 4 seeds was Alabama in their 3rd consecutive CCG.
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You’re also ignoring the fact that Bama and Clemson have had a stranglehold on CFB for the past half decade.
i thought i was pointing out
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Send those two programs back to the beginning of the BCS era and I’m thinking there would have been way less parity.
i have no idea what that is supposed to mean
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:00 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I really think we could get it back
i wish you were right but frankly i find this incredibly naive especially coming from an Alabama fan.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:03 pm to RLDSC FAN
When the P5 money became more important that traditional rivalries college football started to die. The old style of rivalries and student athlete still exist at the G5 level where money doesn’t dominate programs.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:03 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
quote:this is so retarded. Did you even think about this post?
Playoff system sucks and rewards the top 4 or 5 teams. Parity basically disappeared overnight
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I really think we could get it back
I don't. I feel like those days are gone forever. Even while Alabama has been dominating the sport for the last 12 years or so, I find myself becoming more and more disinterested with college football as a whole. I don't think I've watched a single college football game outside of Alabama this year. I've caught snippets of other games, checked out a few highlight videos on YouTube, but I've been borderline apathetic toward the sport as a whole this season.
And this isn't just some Covid-19 phenomenon. My apathy has been progressing steadily over the last 2-3 years. So this is a building trend for me. I can't explain what's driving it but I find myself caring less and less about college football as the months go by.
Perhaps it has something to do with the current state of the game? Other than that...I don't know.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Take the bowls away from the playoffs.
And the media should cover who is in position to make them just as passionately as they cover the teams with a chance to make the playoff.
Then you have “lesser teams” going to the major bowl games, which the bowls absolutely would never want.
This is the only way to make a playoff system work and maintain the bowls. And the media is going to follow the money/big teams...which are all flowing to the playoffs.
So, yes, the playoffs and the accommodations made to make sure everyone is happy is the problem.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:04 pm to RLDSC FAN
Too much money at stake to not consider, the landscape has changed.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
He’s spot on
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
The old days of CFB are gone forever. It will never come back.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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but it is the sports culture. We judge everything on rings and that's it.
Lot of good discussion and theories in this thread but the reality is what you have simply stated here.
Be it pre-BCS, BCS, playoff or not, there have always been a limited number of teams in a given year that could win a title. But it didn’t used to matter. My first year at LSU, Sugar Bowl vs Nebraska. Huge deal. Third year SEC title and another Sugar Bowl. Another big deal. Both games felt important and had huge crowds. Neither had a remote effect on the title picture.
As an LSU fan, you could tell the difference in the culture change in 04. As soon as we were out of the title picture, other than the Bama game , you could sense the general indifference of the fan base and atmosphere on campus.
Too much Ricky Bobby philosophy these days.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:08 pm to RLDSC FAN
Herb 100% right. And ive said same since they started stupid playoff. Dumbest thing to ever happen to cfb. Will ultimately ruin it as they expand.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:10 pm to ReauxlTide222
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And the media should cover who is in position to make them just as passionately as they cover the teams with a chance to make the playoff.
This is the issue. The media drives everything, at least for these 17-21 year olds. They’re sheep and lemmings and all that...social culture has shown that. Quite frankly, it’s why they’re still in school.
If the media doesn’t cover it, it’s not cool. ESPN is sports media. They’ve drooled on the CFP since day 1. The attention given to Bama, Clemson, and OSU has increased exponentially, while TCU can go 10-3 and win the Alamo Bowl and nobody gives a shite.
Am I saying that team deserves more attention or credit than the playoff teams? No. But as of now, those teams don’t get shite for attention. It’s CFP or bust.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:11 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Look at Iowa, said Herbstreit.
I’d rather not watch that boring shite
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:16 pm to RLDSC FAN
This is 100% lip service. He's part of the problem.
The bigger problem is their proverbial eye test that further diminishes the play on the field.
Plus factor in the ridiculous rules such as targeting and the "historic" female kicker stuff, yeah it's easy to see why sports are not as important
Not to mention it's expensive as hell to take a family to
The bigger problem is their proverbial eye test that further diminishes the play on the field.
Plus factor in the ridiculous rules such as targeting and the "historic" female kicker stuff, yeah it's easy to see why sports are not as important
Not to mention it's expensive as hell to take a family to
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
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i have no idea what that is supposed to mean
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t your original point that fewer teams have have been “in it” during the CFP era than we did during the first six years of the BCS?
Do you think that might have to do with the fact that we’ve had two incredibly dominant programs during the CFP whereas we didn’t during the beginning of the BCS?
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:19 pm to TheeRealCarolina
I get what you're saying but people have being buying recruits for thousands of dollars for decades. Exhibit A the Southwest Conference Article that was posted here earlier today. Exhibit B the FBI NCAA basketball investigation. Exhibit C the payments an LSU "booster" made to Vadal Alexander's dad. I'm sure there are a ton of other cases too. It would not be some new phenomenon. God forbid other players be jealous though. You already have in college football the highly touted guys receiving more praise, and then in real life, sometimes a coworker will make more than you. If someone quits because a teammate made more, I don't know if they are team material. If they want a taste of the NFL, there you go, sometimes you'll be a league minimum while your teammate has a fat contract. And if a booster pays a bust however much money to do an ad, well next time it will be lesson learned, and they'll be a little more mindful with their money. Giving players incentives to stay is an answer to Kirk's original point which is that they are leaving for the NFL early and rarely making it.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:20 pm to 610man
Pretty soon "scholarships" are going to have to look like contracts. Not only for paying players (which is inevitable) , but also having ramifications for failure to uphold the player side of the contract (opting out, declining bowl invites, etc).
Otherwise, why would Stingley play another snap for LSU? Or any other NFL talent for that matter. It even extends to basketball with Ben Simmons declining the NIT bid, or a stud pitcher not wanting to put any more innings in for LSU if there's no post season implications. We havent seen the baseball example yet, but its going to happen at some point.
Otherwise, why would Stingley play another snap for LSU? Or any other NFL talent for that matter. It even extends to basketball with Ben Simmons declining the NIT bid, or a stud pitcher not wanting to put any more innings in for LSU if there's no post season implications. We havent seen the baseball example yet, but its going to happen at some point.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:21 pm to RLDSC FAN
simple solution is to put ALL conference winners in the playoffs.
that will drive interest for the entirety of FBS.
the current system is arse soup.
that will drive interest for the entirety of FBS.
the current system is arse soup.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:24 pm to RLDSC FAN
He’s right the sport is about to go down a dark road
Posted on 12/2/20 at 7:27 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:I get it, ok
Is an Alabama fan really making that argument on an LSU message board? That is either incredibly ballsy or incredibly self unaware
But how many times will a team that doesn’t win their division be as great as that Alabama team?
It wasn’t WILD that Alabama got in.
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