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re: KC Royals release new renderings of proposed $2 billion baseball stadium
Posted on 2/16/24 at 9:31 am to Chucktown_Badger
Posted on 2/16/24 at 9:31 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Do you think that might be because they play twice as many games as the NBA and have stadiums that are twice as big?
the point is that they still bring in that money.
twice as many games, twice as many people per game.
that's a shite-ton of people watching something "nobody cares about" or a "dying sport".
if nobody gives a shite, and it's dying, then why the hell are so many people going to so many games?
hell, MLB has 4 teams that would crack the top 30 in per game average attendance compared to the big 5 European soccer leagues.
Despite playing more than 4 times as many games and playing in smaller stadiums.
maybe soccer is dying in Europe if teams can only bring in 45,000 people into a 60,000-80,000 capacity stadium in cities like Madrid, London, Liverpool, Nuremberg, etc. fewer than 20 times a year while a city like St. Louis can do 40,000+ 81 times per year for Baseball.
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Posted on 2/16/24 at 9:59 am to The Third Leg
It's dumb to say baseball is dying, and it's also dumb to say that baseball is thriving and going to challenge the NFL and major CFB soon. The truth is squarely in the middle.
Back to the original topic, any new stadium is going to cost billions today....because all new development is insanely expensive today. Think about how much it cost to build a new house today, or a new road. Honestly $2 billion isn't a horrible price tag. I think the new design looks good, and the location seems to be great.
Back to the original topic, any new stadium is going to cost billions today....because all new development is insanely expensive today. Think about how much it cost to build a new house today, or a new road. Honestly $2 billion isn't a horrible price tag. I think the new design looks good, and the location seems to be great.
Posted on 2/16/24 at 10:26 am to NOLALGD
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It's dumb to say baseball is dying, and it's also dumb to say that baseball is thriving and going to challenge the NFL and major CFB soon. The truth is squarely in the middle.
agree, that's why I specifically said they would never catch the NFL.
but the sport is experiencing growth right now.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:07 am to Akit1
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Look at the Royals piggybacking off the Chiefs success. Trying to sneak a new stadium in lol.
They’re not far removed from going to the WS in consecutive seasons and winning once. In fact, they were the only pro team to win anything fora long time until the Chiefs broke their 5 decade championship drought.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:47 am to The Third Leg
Hey, just because you’re from Iowa doesn’t mean you have to demean the entire Midwest.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 10:07 am to NOLALGD
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Honestly $2 billion isn't a horrible price tag. I think the new design looks good, and the location seems to be great.
So it shouldn’t be an issue for the Royals ownership to privately fund it then, right?
Posted on 2/18/24 at 5:04 pm to Wally Sparks
Nothing wrong with Kaufman, The architecture is cool, Plus the chiefs ask they will get money and they are trying to beat Hunt to the taxes. I agree fund it yourself they just hold the city hostage threaten to move.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:34 am to Cracker
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Plus the chiefs ask they will get money and they are trying to beat Hunt to the taxes.
The Hunts want to stay, they just want their own entertainment district at the Truman complex and getting rid of Kauffman would go a long way towards that.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:59 am to Nutriaitch
To piggyback off this post, The NBA doesn’t have any remotely comparable foreign league that siphons off revenue from them. Japan and Korea both have very popular and successful national baseball leagues that prevent MLB from growing in the region but help the game of baseball in general. I’m not that familiar with the success of baseball leagues in central and South America but I’m willing to bet they are at bare minimum as successful and popular as the European basketball leagues.
Behind soccer, baseball is easily the 2nd most popular and successful sport on the planet.
Behind soccer, baseball is easily the 2nd most popular and successful sport on the planet.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:09 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Do you think that might be because they play twice as many games as the NBA and have stadiums that are twice as big?
NFL trounces them too.
It’s almost like revenue reflects your popularity.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:11 am to Wally Sparks
I would love to see every new NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/MLS stadium be completely owner/privately financed, and would vote for a law requiring that. I think all cities and states should have to do is build/upgrade infrastructure around/to the site including streets and mass transit.
But thats not how huge real estate development projects work in America. This isn't a new baseball stadium, its a real estate development project, two quotes from the article below...
Unless you are in the middle of the City, its as much about the development deals and development rights around the stadium these days. In the end the richer get richer of course, hopefully fans get something cool out of it (fancy new ballpark) other than increased ticket prices.
But thats not how huge real estate development projects work in America. This isn't a new baseball stadium, its a real estate development project, two quotes from the article below...
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The Royals said fans would enter the East Village stadium on 12th Street. The site is 27 acres and more vertically oriented.
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It’s 90 acres and would be more residentially focused, as opposed to a commercial focus in the East Village. The NKC plan still includes a hotel, performing arts space, a park and more.
Unless you are in the middle of the City, its as much about the development deals and development rights around the stadium these days. In the end the richer get richer of course, hopefully fans get something cool out of it (fancy new ballpark) other than increased ticket prices.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:13 am to NOLALGD
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Back to the original topic, any new stadium is going to cost billions today....because all new development is insanely expensive today. Think about how much it cost to build a new house today, or a new road. Honestly $2 billion isn't a horrible price tag. I think the new design looks good, and the location seems to be great.
Plus people are ignoring what the $2 billion price tag includes - a whole GameDay experience. Basically they are doing what the Braves did with their stadium but are doing in a downtown area. This seems to have overwhelming support from KC residents as well. Have a All-Star game or two there and it basically pays for itself.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:18 am to Wally Sparks
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The Hunts want to stay, they just want their own entertainment district at the Truman complex and getting rid of Kauffman would go a long way towards that.
Agree with you 100%, the Hunts want to be real estate developers. Those parking lots that are empty most of the year aren't making them any money. If they can't redevelop around the stadium they will start talking about moving to another site one day. Not saying they will leave the metro area, but they see all the money they are leaving on the table.
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:26 pm to Dairy Sanders
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This seems to have overwhelming support from KC residents as well. Have an All-Star game or two there and it basically pays for itself.
So why do they need public money then?
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:57 am to Wally Sparks
You know the game won’t happen until after the stadium is built right?
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:21 am to Dairy Sanders
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Japan and Korea both have very popular and successful national baseball leagues that prevent MLB from growing in the region but help the game of baseball in general. I’m not that familiar with the success of baseball leagues in central and South America but I’m willing to bet they are at bare minimum as successful and popular as the European basketball leagues.
there are several Latin American and Eastern Asian countries where Baseball is the biggest and most popular sport.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:29 pm to Dairy Sanders
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You know the game won’t happen until after the stadium is built right?
So why can't Royals ownership get a loan to finance it and then use future revenues to pay for it? Why does the public need to get involved?
(I say this as a taxpayer currently paying for the Braves' real estate venture in Cobb County.)
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:57 pm to NOLALGD
quote:yea ive said this in another thread a while back but i keep hearing KCK floated on local radio stations and I think the chiefs are just using it as leverage. I think what may happen is they build up truman and then build a facility like the star at Frisco on the Kansas side.
Agree with you 100%, the Hunts want to be real estate developers. Those parking lots that are empty most of the year aren't making them any money. If they can't redevelop around the stadium they will start talking about moving to another site one day. Not saying they will leave the metro area, but they see all the money they are leaving on the table.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:34 pm to NOLALGD
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Those parking lots that are empty most of the year aren't making them any money.
honest question: how do you get around that?
you need parking for the fans.
counting playoffs, the chiefs only play fewer around a dozen home games a year (8-9 regular season ; 2-3 postseason)
that's parking spots that absolutely have to exist, but go unused for 350+ days a year (obviously not counting any other events that Arrowhead hosts).
add in Kaufman and you're still fewer than 100 days a year of usage.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:18 pm to Nutriaitch
Truman has an absolute insane amount of wasted space that could be solved with a few parking garages. Went to a concert there over the summer and had the bright idea of saving some money by parking at a business across the street. Never again. After standing for 4 hours I was wishing for death a half mile into that walk.
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