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re: Is the all time home run record really the most prestigious record in sports?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:06 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:06 am to TbirdSpur2010
I've been convinced.
the Triple Crown is the most uniquely American most prestigious record.
It's our record and almost never done.
the Triple Crown is the most uniquely American most prestigious record.
It's our record and almost never done.
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Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:08 am to TbirdSpur2010
Yeah, but I wasn't talking about noteworthiness. As a basketball fan and student of pro ball history, and what I'm given to understand about Wilt and that era, I view the record differently. It's very very impressive of course. But there's aslo a quality of quirkiness too, it's an oddity, a product of a strange transitional era with the right guy in the right place at the right time. I guess what I'm saying is Wilt's 100-point game is not really equivalent to a hypothetical (and this far, nonexistant) 100-point game anytime from about 1974 til the foreseeable future in pro basketball.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 2:10 am
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:15 am to genro
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But there's aslo a quality of quirkiness too, it's an oddity, a product of a strange transitional era with the right guy in the right place at the right time.
Eh, you can make that case for a lot of records, tbh. Not really relevant to cut down its prestige, IMO.
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Wilt's 100-point game is not really equivalent to a hypothetical (and this far, nonexistant) 100-point game anytime from about 1974 til the foreseeable future in pro basketball.
Yes, the game has changed, but the record is just as impressive. It's not like players haven't gone off for massive scoring barrages since. The Admiral put up 70 points once. Kobe put up 80 plus.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 2:17 am
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:28 am to TbirdSpur2010
Wilt was just so much better than everyone and the league was so lopsided it was just silly. And basketball was just that, a silly, non-televised 5th most popular sport. Almost a sideshow. It was closer to entertainment than sporting competition(at least for Wilt and many others).
You say the game has changed but it's not really about that. I just think if you just stripped away the seriousness of it all, someone would've done it.
And of course, it you dropped Hakeem or Kobe into a marginal semipro league with racial quotas and a bunch of ragtag teams from little industrial towns, well I bet they could manage 100 points. But that's neither here nor there.
You say the game has changed but it's not really about that. I just think if you just stripped away the seriousness of it all, someone would've done it.
And of course, it you dropped Hakeem or Kobe into a marginal semipro league with racial quotas and a bunch of ragtag teams from little industrial towns, well I bet they could manage 100 points. But that's neither here nor there.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 2:35 am to genro
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Wilt was just so much better than everyone and the league was so lopsided it was just silly.
The NBA has been lopsided for much of its history. Just look at the title counts of the heat and lakers. Their erstwhile dominance was born of that era.
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And basketball was just that, a silly, non-televised 5th most popular sport. Almost a sideshow. It was closer to entertainment than sporting competition(at least for Wilt and many others).
None of which changes the significance and impressiveness of Wilt's 100 point game.
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You say the game has changed but it's not really about that. I just think if you just stripped away the seriousness of it all, someone would've done it.
I don't know where you're going with that one.
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And of course, it you dropped Hakeem or Kobe into a marginal semipro league with racial quotas and a bunch of ragtag teams from little industrial towns, well I bet they could manage 100 points. But that's neither here nor there.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:03 am to goldennugget
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Is the all time home run record really the most prestigious record in sports?
Its #2 IMO. The single season HR record is the GOAT IMO. Either way.....Bonds rules!
Posted on 4/9/14 at 3:05 am to genro
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And of course, it you dropped Hakeem or Kobe into a marginal semipro league with racial quotas and a bunch of ragtag teams from little industrial towns, well I bet they could manage 100 points. But that's neither here nor there.
Kobe hitting 80+ in the NBA is WAY better than hitting 100 in a "marginal semipro league with racial quotas and a bunch of ragtag teams" FTR.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:40 am to goldennugget
It's at least the most talked about record just because baseball fans seem to care more about stats than wins.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:45 am to goldennugget
It was by far the most prestigious record in sports before Barry Bonds and co left a shite stain on all home run records.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:57 am to goldennugget
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Posted on 4/9/14 at 7:44 am to KingRanch
7 no hitters is pretty damn impressive too
Posted on 4/9/14 at 7:46 am to KingRanch
Not the most prestigious, but the most unreachable record has to be the NHL all-time scoring record . Gretzky has 970 more pts. in 269 less games than 2nd place messier. He was "the great one" for a reason
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 7:51 am
Posted on 4/9/14 at 7:54 am to lsu480
quote:yeah and the 2006 Raptors were the most awesome team in NBA history right?
Kobe hitting 80+ in the NBA is WAY better than hitting 100 in a "marginal semipro league with racial quotas and a bunch of ragtag teams" FTR.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:19 am to WreckinRams05
The most prestigious record is the Triple Crown of horse racing.
The most popular record is the home run record.
The most unbreakable record is Gretzky's career points record.
I think most in this thread are confusing prestige with popularity or difficulty, and while prestige often accompanies those other traits, they are not the same.
The most popular record is the home run record.
The most unbreakable record is Gretzky's career points record.
I think most in this thread are confusing prestige with popularity or difficulty, and while prestige often accompanies those other traits, they are not the same.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:44 am to VerlanderBEAST
quote:were far, far better than the 1962 Knicks.
2006 Raptors
This was their best player
Richie Guerin, superstar. '62 was his fifth season in the league, and he had made the All-Star team in 4 of those 5 seasons. However, just a few years later he retired, still young. Not because of injuries, but because the racial barrier was finally broken and he simply couldn't compete. That happened to A LOT of these guys.
There's a reason that outside of basketball circles, someone like George Mikan is unknown even though he was just as dominant in his time as Wilt, Hakeem, or Shaq. We judge players based on their era and this was a time when the NBA was severely handicapping its product via racism. We now judge Paul Arizin and George Mikan and all these forgotten white guys as inferior to the modern game because of it. Why don't we apply the same standard to Wilt's 100-point game?
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 8:50 am
Posted on 4/9/14 at 8:59 am to genro
I'm with you Genro. Wilt's 100 sounds incredible on the surface, but any research completely debunks the mystic. It does nothing for me as far as records are concerned. It will never be broken, but it deserves an asterisk just as much as Bonds HR record - although clearly not for the same reasons.
What Kobe did when he dropped 81 is much more significant that Wilt, and I despise Kobe. Hell, I hold most 50+ point games in higher regard than Wilt's.
I understand and respect Wilt's dominance, and I believe he would have been an All-NBA player in today's game, but the competition level today is absurd. I literally have no doubt that there are 15+ players in today's game that would have dropped 100 on that Knicks squad.
Also, the fact that I'm on the opposite side of a topic than Verlander gives me a robust sense of arrogance in this regard.
What Kobe did when he dropped 81 is much more significant that Wilt, and I despise Kobe. Hell, I hold most 50+ point games in higher regard than Wilt's.
I understand and respect Wilt's dominance, and I believe he would have been an All-NBA player in today's game, but the competition level today is absurd. I literally have no doubt that there are 15+ players in today's game that would have dropped 100 on that Knicks squad.
Also, the fact that I'm on the opposite side of a topic than Verlander gives me a robust sense of arrogance in this regard.
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 9:00 am
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:05 am to slackster
I'd also like to change my submission for most unbreakable record. That title should go to the single season MLB wins and losses leaders, Old Hoss Radbourn with 59 and John Coleman with 48, respectively.
48 losses by a pitcher in a season is unfrickingbelievable.
48 losses by a pitcher in a season is unfrickingbelievable.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 9:34 am to slackster
My senior year of high school my basketball team broke the school record for most points scored in a single game.
That record, to me, is the most prestigious one in sports
That record, to me, is the most prestigious one in sports
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:26 am to slackster
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I understand and respect Wilt's dominance, and I believe he would have been an All-NBA player in today's game, but the competition level today is absurd. I literally have no doubt that there are 15+ players in today's game that would have dropped 100 on that Knicks squad.
I would actually say ANY of todays NBA players could have scored 100 on them.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 11:32 am to lsu480
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I would actually say ANY of todays NBA players could have scored 100 on them.
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