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re: Is Houston considered a big sports market?
Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:42 pm to guedeaux
Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:42 pm to guedeaux
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How do you define this? It is the ONLY city in American with dedicated major league football, basketball, baseball, and soccer facilities.
Philadelphia?
Phillies – Citizens Bank Ballpark
76ers/Flyers – Wells Fargo Center
Eagles – Lincoln Financial Field
Union – PPL Park
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:43 pm to TigerWise
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Just as many Cowboys, Saints, and Steelers fans in Houston as Texans. Plus a lot of people just don't give a shite about the sports teams.
The Texans are getting a bigger following from year to year. Grant it, most are bandwagoners that still consider themselves Cowboy fans but nonetheless the Texans have a growing following.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:47 pm to The Boat
lot of bandwagon fans too.
seems like in LA, New York, Chicago being around, apart of, invested, making appearances at the sporting events is the cool thing to do. You don't see that with Houston teams and Houston celebrities all that often.
Oil/Gas industry brings in a ton of outsiders or non Houstonians who could give a frick about Houston sports.
For the first year I couldn't even listen to Houston Sports radio because I didn't give two shits about the shitty Houston teams.
Now I find enjoyment in going to Minute Maid, buying a $7 standing ticket, ending up on the 3rd baseline by the 5th inning. Drinking beers, eating hotdogs, and watching other teams.
I go to company and coworkers tailgate parties out at Reliant. Really good time. Not Tiger Stadium, but still fun.
I have grown to like this young Rockets team.
Fun to watch regardless of w/l. they try hard night in and night out for McHale. I also go to watch them play the Heat, Lakers, Bulls, Hornets, etc.
seems like in LA, New York, Chicago being around, apart of, invested, making appearances at the sporting events is the cool thing to do. You don't see that with Houston teams and Houston celebrities all that often.
Oil/Gas industry brings in a ton of outsiders or non Houstonians who could give a frick about Houston sports.
For the first year I couldn't even listen to Houston Sports radio because I didn't give two shits about the shitty Houston teams.
Now I find enjoyment in going to Minute Maid, buying a $7 standing ticket, ending up on the 3rd baseline by the 5th inning. Drinking beers, eating hotdogs, and watching other teams.
I go to company and coworkers tailgate parties out at Reliant. Really good time. Not Tiger Stadium, but still fun.
I have grown to like this young Rockets team.
Fun to watch regardless of w/l. they try hard night in and night out for McHale. I also go to watch them play the Heat, Lakers, Bulls, Hornets, etc.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:50 pm to Waffle House
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MY GOD, get the word out to Dwight that the facilities are with in the city limits! You can have stadium geographically near each other and outside a designated city limit.
Firstly, why the frick did that offend you? You sound like a douche.
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Also, why would a soccer facility with in the city limits have any bearing on MARKETS.
Lets see, its a brand new stadium with modern facilities for the most popular sport in the fricking world. Also, since they opened the stadium, a shite-ton more people give a frick about the Houston Dynamo then before. More to the point, if people are going to travel to away soccer games or otherwise plan trips to see games, I think they would prefer to go to a state-of-the-art facility in the middle of a huge city as opposed to an old, rinky dinky stadium in the boonies. Therefore, the team gains more out of town fans which increases the number of fans, etc.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:56 pm to guedeaux
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Lets see, its a brand new stadium with modern facilities for the most popular sport in the fricking world. Also, since they opened the stadium, a shite-ton more people give a frick about the Houston Dynamo then before. More to the point, if people are going to travel to away soccer games or otherwise plan trips to see games, I think they would prefer to go to a state-of-the-art facility in the middle of a huge city as opposed to an old, rinky dinky stadium in the boonies. Therefore, the team gains more out of town fans which increases the number of fans, etc.
place is fricking awesome.
been there 3 times and i hate soccer. get drunk at Luckys or Woodrow's pre-game. get some curbside food truck food. go to game for cheap.
only issue is it's hot as frick in that place.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:00 pm to guedeaux
It didn't offend me in the least.
You were saying in your OP that Houston was the ONLY city with these facilities, all with in the city limits. I just think that is a silly argument.
The Dallas market doesn't suffer because the Cowboys, Rangers and FC Dallas aren't with in the city limits of Dallas. Philly market doesn't suffer because the Union are 15 miles from their other stadiums. Redskins outside the DC limits, Giants/Jets/Red Bulls ouside the NYC limits, etc.
I also found your "frick hockey" comment funny when you are extolling on the virtues of MLS. As a fan of both soccer and hockey, I would say that neither are really in a position to look down on the other.
I was sarcastically responding that geographic location of stadium, with in reason, has no bearing on the sports market of a city. If my sarcasm offended you then I apologize.
You were saying in your OP that Houston was the ONLY city with these facilities, all with in the city limits. I just think that is a silly argument.
The Dallas market doesn't suffer because the Cowboys, Rangers and FC Dallas aren't with in the city limits of Dallas. Philly market doesn't suffer because the Union are 15 miles from their other stadiums. Redskins outside the DC limits, Giants/Jets/Red Bulls ouside the NYC limits, etc.
I also found your "frick hockey" comment funny when you are extolling on the virtues of MLS. As a fan of both soccer and hockey, I would say that neither are really in a position to look down on the other.
I was sarcastically responding that geographic location of stadium, with in reason, has no bearing on the sports market of a city. If my sarcasm offended you then I apologize.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:02 pm to guedeaux
It's just a silly statement with too many caveats.
For 1 it disqualifies Hockey/Bball combos, which just make sense, and Hockey is a "big 4" and MLS isn't. And also the stipulation of city limits.
It's just a very narrow statement that doesn't actually mean much of anything.
For 1 it disqualifies Hockey/Bball combos, which just make sense, and Hockey is a "big 4" and MLS isn't. And also the stipulation of city limits.
It's just a very narrow statement that doesn't actually mean much of anything.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:04 pm to FatDrunknStupid
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Grant it, most are bandwagoners that still consider themselves Cowboy fans
Completely false. The Cowboy fans in town either don't care or don't like the Texans. The Texans fans HATE the Cowboys. While there are a lot of transplant fans, the Texans are the #1 team. It might not be 95% Texans like NO is Saints, but the majority are Texans fans. Go to a sports bar on a Sunday. Where I usually go, if the Texans are on, the Texans fans dominate the place. Saints fans will have 2-3 tables. There is no "oh, now the Texans are good, we'll root for them". In most towns when the team sucks, attendence at the actual games drops. There were LSU games in the 90's with < 60,000 in TS. People are more enthusiastic about teams that are good. Human nature.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:24 pm to TigerWise
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Just as many Cowboys, Saints, and Steelers fans in Houston as Texans. Plus a lot of people just don't give a shite about the sports teams.
Wow. Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:25 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Completely false. The Cowboy fans in town either don't care or don't like the Texans. The Texans fans HATE the Cowboys. While there are a lot of transplant fans, the Texans are the #1 team. It might not be 95% Texans like NO is Saints, but the majority are Texans fans. Go to a sports bar on a Sunday. Where I usually go, if the Texans are on, the Texans fans dominate the place. Saints fans will have 2-3 tables. There is no "oh, now the Texans are good, we'll root for them". In most towns when the team sucks, attendence at the actual games drops. There were LSU games in the 90's with < 60,000 in TS. People are more enthusiastic about teams that are good. Human nature.
This
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:27 pm to The Boat
I have been to a texans game and a couple of astros games. The "fans" really didnt give a shite about the game itself.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:27 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
So I think we can all agree that DFW completely dominates Houston as a sports market/town.
Got it.
Got it.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:29 pm to rondo
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The "fans" really didnt give a shite about the game itself.
When did you attend said games?
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:30 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Three or 4 years ago.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:32 pm to rondo
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Three or 4 years ago.
So when both teams were shitty? I wonder why nobody cared. I'm sure if you attended a Saints game in the 90s or a Hornets game this year it would have been very similar.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:33 pm to rondo
why are houston fans here so sensitive on this subject?
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:34 pm to Klark Kent
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why are houston fans here so sensitive on this subject?
I never said Houston is a major sports market. Just showing why people might not have cared. To me the only major sports markets are New York, Chicago, LA and Boston.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:42 pm to Waffle House
My "frick hockey" was meant to show my disdain for the sport in general, not necessarily in this context haha
And I was just stating what I read in a Houston publication (either chron or one of the mags), so not really surprised they were wrong.
However, I do think the geographical location is important especially for gaining fans. But I don't think it is the only aspect to consider.
And I was just stating what I read in a Houston publication (either chron or one of the mags), so not really surprised they were wrong.
However, I do think the geographical location is important especially for gaining fans. But I don't think it is the only aspect to consider.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:47 pm to The Boat
It is weird that Houston isn't considered a big city market...doesn't help the perception that it's stuck in Texas which doesn't have a "part of us" perception...and that 30% of the population has English as a second-language.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:49 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
LINKTop 10 largest Metropolitan Areas in America:
1. New York City - 19 million
2. Los Angeles - 12.9 million
3. Chicago - 9.5 million
4. Dallas - 6.5 million
5. Houston - 6 million
6. Philadelphia - 5.9 million
7. Washington DC - 5.7 million
8. Miami - 5.6 million
9. Atlanta - 5.3 million
10. Boston - 4.5 million
1. New York City - 19 million
2. Los Angeles - 12.9 million
3. Chicago - 9.5 million
4. Dallas - 6.5 million
5. Houston - 6 million
6. Philadelphia - 5.9 million
7. Washington DC - 5.7 million
8. Miami - 5.6 million
9. Atlanta - 5.3 million
10. Boston - 4.5 million
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