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lsupride87
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Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
On the surface, one would think it is extremely competitive, due to the money and fame involved. However, I think it is damn near the opposite. It honestly seems it is just a high barrier to entry market, but not competitive in the least. Once you are in you are in. I think this is the reason why a truly good coach is able to dominate.
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NotoriousFSU
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
Seems like unless you have family already in the league your chances of playing or coaching at the professional level are already slimmer than most.
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Tarpon08
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
So someone is able to truly be successful or dominate at their job because they are better than everyone else at it? What are you trying to get at with that last point?


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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
This place is absolutely littered with failed football coaches. tRant even moreso.


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lsupride87
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
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Seems like unless you have family already in the league your chances of playing or coaching at the professional level then your chances of making it are already slimmer than most.
That is kinda what I am getting at. High barrier to entry, but not really competitive once you are in. I honestly think if it wasnt for nepotism or having to be a football guy, there are 100s of thousands of people in America who could coach better than the current coaches. Think about it, football players are not what we consider the brightest bulbs, yet that is who ends up with the coaching positions 99% of the time


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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
It's the ultimate form of nepotism.

Presidents, politicians, kings and queens and sultans of Arabia would be jealous of the incestuous circle-jerk fraternity that is the NFL and college football.


lsupride87
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
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So someone is able to truly be successful or dominate at their job because they are better than everyone else at it? What are you trying to get at with that last point?
By having a bunch of loser coaches, it makes it that much easier on a coach who is actually worth a shite


Goldrush25
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
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By having a bunch of loser coaches, it makes it that much easier on a coach who is actually worth a shite


Look how long Jeff Fisher hung around.


lsupride87
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
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Look how long Jeff Fisher hung around.
Bingo. I honestly think it would make more sense to hire people that are just smart individuals who could analyze the game and deduct formations and the best plays to call in certain situations. Hiring "football guys" seems so stupid to me. I do not think it is a coincidence that Belichick is the most successful coach. He is technically a football guy, but he shits on the traditional guard and by the book plays and actually does the right plays according to factual analysis


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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
One you are in, you are in for life. If you have even the slightest bit of success as a coordinator or position coach eventually you will get your chance at a head coaching job.

And no need to worry if you get fired, another job is waiting for you, or you can sit on your arse for a year or two and collect all of your buyout money.

All because you were the QB coach that one time x team made the Super Bowl 10-15 years ago.


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castorinho
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
I think it comes down to job security. GMs, in general, probably don't want to "risk" it by hiring an "outsider."


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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
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Seems like unless you have family already in the league your chances of playing or coaching at the professional level are already slimmer than most.


Steve Spurrier himself said the only reason he was able to last in coaching is because he knew the right people. He said he never would have gotten into coaching if one of his former coaches at Florida hadn't reached out to him about the job. Same with Saban. He said coaching never crossed his mind until Don James asked him to be a GA out of the blue. And then there is the story about Dabo Swinney being an real estate agent for several years until Tommy Bowden hired him as his receivers coach after a chance meeting at a church. So yeah you really need to know the right people to rise up the ranks.

Another thing is every coach is required to have a bachelor's degree. Why is that important? Well, entry-level coaches hardly make any money. It's not even a full-time position most of the time. If you have a bachelor's degree, you will almost certainly make more money and have more job security in the private sector than you will as a graduate assistant. So why would you even want to get into a field that is so much more risky and unstable?


Teddy Ruxpin
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
Business executives get recycled all the time. You just aren't as passionate about reading about that.


lsupride87
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
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Business executives get recycled all the time. You just aren't as passionate about reading about that.

Meh


lsutigers1992
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
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Look how long Jeff Fisher hung around.




Better yet, look at Norv Turner. His post-triplet era was 20 years of FAIL and he kept on getting job after job after job. The problem is mostly nepotism, but the refusal to hire outside the fraternity is the big picture issue.

Of course Jeff Fisher is going 8-8 every year. Half the teams he faces are run by Turners, Ryans, Schottenheimers, Shanahans, Shulas, and so on.

I mean, Pete Carroll is an elite coach. I'd be good as a coach too if I was allowed to fail four times before I did something right.
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lsupride87
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
Denver just hired the DC who has the 29th ranked defense as their head coach.

What the frick is that?


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wildtigercat93
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
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do not think it is a coincidence that Belichick is the most successful coach. He is technically a football guy, but he shits on the traditional guard and by the book plays and actually does the right plays according to factual analysis


Bad example here BB basically came out the womb watching game film with his father (a former coach and scout for Navy), and as a coach has definitely had retreads and given second chances to plenty of HCs and Coordinators, and has even hired his son as a and assistant DB coach


BB is no stranger to being a football guy and no stranger to nepotism


lsupride87
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
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Bad example here BB basically came out the womb watching game film with his father (a former coach and scout for Navy), and as a coach has definitely had retreads and given second chances to plenty of HCs and Coordinators, and has even hired his son as a and assistant DB coach


BB is no stranger to being a football guy and no stranger to nepotism
I said he is a football guy...................

However, he does not approach the game as such. He calls plays and situations based on actual analysis and facts. Not simply what the old rule of thumb football purist rule book says.


Tarik One
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
I've lost track of Norv Turner's status. He keeps getting gigs though.


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Teddy Ruxpin
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re: Is football coach one of the least competitive job markets out there?
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Meh


I assume you didn't start the thread just to get unanimous agreement. I'm not sure it is any worse or better than any other industry. I'll use some generalities.

First, barriers of entry. Bachelor's degree in a lot of places, have we hit 40% of the population having a BS/BA yet?

From there, you can whittle down the type of people who can't find their own a-hole, no talent, who don't want to work that hard, etc. Again, there is a reason you have 55 year olds who aren't executives, and it isn't because they used to be one.

You further this by people who even want to be in coaching. Family members in coaching makes sense, people like to do what is familiar and what they know, usually through their parents, and this happens with lawyers, doctors, engineers, and waiters.

I think it isn't all too dissimilar from any other field and so I'm not terribly surprised. Go look at airline executives or any other industry. They just go around the competitors as VPs until they retire.

I'll even throw in mediocrity in other fields isn't punished either. Basically, for the most part, if the wheels don't completely fall off or you avoid embezzling, you'll always find another executive gig once you've had the title once. This is why people change jobs for "titles."
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