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re: Is Chipper Jones a 1st ballot Hall of Famer?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:33 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:33 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
You ignored the rest of my post and a couple of others who said the same thing. There is no such thing as a HOF tier based on when you were elected. It has everything to do with the rest of the ballot. If there are 12 deserving players on a specific ballot, they won't all get elected and therefore some get pushed to the next year. If there is no one (like when Don Sutton was elected), and you are deserving, then you will probably get the votes.
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:33 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
John Smoltz was a first ballot guy.
When that happened I think it all but guaranteed Chipper will be.
Voters have looked very kindly upon the 90s Braves.
When that happened I think it all but guaranteed Chipper will be.
Voters have looked very kindly upon the 90s Braves.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:34 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
There is a voter who does't vote anyone on the first ballot because Dimaggio wasn't.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:34 pm to volfan30
Also the only switch hitter in history with 400+ home runs and .300 average from both sides of the plate iirc
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:34 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
They don't hand out 1st ballots like hub-caps.
It's not common but the list is pretty long and it's becoming more and more common every year.
Ivan Rodriguez 2017 76.0
Ken Griffey, Jr. 2016 99.3
Randy Johnson 2015 97.3
Pedro Martinez 2015 91.1
John Smoltz 2015 82.9
Greg Maddux 2014 97.2
Tom Glavine 2014 91.9
Frank Thomas 2014 83.7
Rickey Henderson 2009 94.8
Cal Ripken 2007 98.5
Tony Gwynn 2007 97.6
Wade Boggs 2005 91.9
Paul Molitor 2004 85.2
Dennis Eckersley 2004 83.2
Eddie Murray 2003 85.3
Ozzie Smith 2002 91.7
Dave Winfield 2001 84.5
Kirby Puckett 2001 82.1
Nolan Ryan 1999 98.8
George Brett 1999 98.2
Robin Yount 1999 77.5
Mike Schmidt 1995 96.5
Steve Carlton 1994 95.6
Reggie Jackson 1993 93.6
Tom Seaver 1992 98.8
Rod Carew 1991 90.5
Jim Palmer 1990 92.6
Joe Morgan 1990 81.8
Carl Yastrzemski 1989 94.6
Johnny Bench 1989 96.4
Willie Stargell 1988 82.4
Willie McCovey 1986 81.4
Lou Brock 1985 79.8
Brooks Robinson 1983 92
Hank Aaron 1982 97.8
Frank Robinson 1982 89.2
Bob Gibson 1981 84
Al Kaline 1980 88.3
Willie Mays 1979 94.7
Ernie Banks 1977 83.8
Mickey Mantle 1974 88.2
Warren Spahn 1973 83.2
Sandy Koufax 1972 86.9
Stan Musial 1969 93.2
Ted Williams 1966 93.4
Jackie Robinson 1962 77.5
Bob Feller 1962 93.8
Ty Cobb 1936 98.2
Babe Ruth 1936 95.1
Honus Wagner 1936 95.1
Christy Mathewson 1936 90.7
Walter Johnson 1936 83.6
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:37 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
First ballot Hall of Fame inductees since the year 2000
Ivan Rodriguez 2017 76.0
Ken Griffey, Jr.2016 99.3
Randy Johnson 2015 97.3
Pedro Martinez 2015 91.1
John Smoltz 2015 82.9
Greg Maddux 2014 97.2
Tom Glavine 2014 91.9
Frank Thomas 2014 83.7
Rickey Henderson2009 94.8
Cal Ripken 2007 98.5
Tony Gwynn 2007 97.6
Wade Boggs 2005 91.9
Paul Molitor 2004 85.2
Dennis Eckersley2004 83.2
Eddie Murray 2003 85.3
Ozzie Smith 2002 91.7
Dave Winfield 2001 84.5
Kirby Puckett 2001 82.1
Half of this list is on the same tier as Chipper Jones. Not every player who gets inducted on the first ballot is Babe Ruth.
Ivan Rodriguez 2017 76.0
Ken Griffey, Jr.2016 99.3
Randy Johnson 2015 97.3
Pedro Martinez 2015 91.1
John Smoltz 2015 82.9
Greg Maddux 2014 97.2
Tom Glavine 2014 91.9
Frank Thomas 2014 83.7
Rickey Henderson2009 94.8
Cal Ripken 2007 98.5
Tony Gwynn 2007 97.6
Wade Boggs 2005 91.9
Paul Molitor 2004 85.2
Dennis Eckersley2004 83.2
Eddie Murray 2003 85.3
Ozzie Smith 2002 91.7
Dave Winfield 2001 84.5
Kirby Puckett 2001 82.1
Half of this list is on the same tier as Chipper Jones. Not every player who gets inducted on the first ballot is Babe Ruth.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:38 pm to VinegarStrokes
They don't have to elect anyone any given year...as far as I know.
(is that wrong?) Is there a mandate they HAVE to elect someone?
I thought everyone just voted yay or nay.
So...saying Chipper is in with a weak class is meaningless.
(is that wrong?) Is there a mandate they HAVE to elect someone?
I thought everyone just voted yay or nay.
So...saying Chipper is in with a weak class is meaningless.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:39 pm to DallasTiger45
I'm more interested to see where Bonds and Clemens get to
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:42 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
They don't have to elect anyone any given year...as far as I know.
(is that wrong?) Is there a mandate they HAVE to elect someone?
No, they don't have to elect anyone in any year.
quote:
I thought everyone just voted yay or nay.
They put in a ballot with a 'yay' vote for up to 10 eligible players. They do not have to vote for 10, but that's the max.
quote:
So...saying Chipper is in with a weak class is meaningless.
It's not meaningless, but what's more important is the holdover from last year and how many eligible players will be on the ballot.
On the 2018 first-time ballot, Chipper and Thome and sure-fire HOF guys, and I guess an argument could be made for Omar Vizquel and Andruw Jones.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:45 pm to Elleshoe
Probably but the baseball writers are all self-absorbed pricks so maybe not.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:46 pm to Elleshoe
Yes.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:48 pm to lsupride87
I think Rose and Murray could argue that Chipper might be the fourth greatest switch hitter of all time... not that that's a bad thing either.
Murray just doesn't get his due from the average fan for as great a player as he was.
Murray just doesn't get his due from the average fan for as great a player as he was.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:48 pm to Elleshoe
Uhh yeah...
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:08 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
No.
It's the baseball HOF.
Are you kidding me? Chipper Jones is an inner circle HOFer by every measure.
#1 All-Time in RBIs by a 3B
#2 All-Time in Runs Scored by a 3B
#3 All-Time in HRs by a 3B
#6 All-Time in Hits by a 3B
#6 All-Time in WAR for a 3B
Career 141 OPS+ (Higher OPS+ than any HOF 3B except Eddie Mathews and Mike Schmidt)
Led the league in various offensive categories (BA, OBP, OPS+, offensive WAR) throughout his career
Chipper will be a first ballot HOFer and it will likely be with over 90% of the votes.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:12 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
They don't have to elect anyone any given year...as far as I know.
irrelevant to anything that i said in my 2 posts
quote:
So...saying Chipper is in with a weak class is meaningless.
irrelevant to anything that i said in my 2 posts
Let me say this a little slower so you can understand...
Some of those names you listed originally were not first ballot because it was when the HOF was starting up. It has nothing to do with whether they were considered "first ballot" worthy. There are some idiot writers who think it means something, but it doesn't mean a damn thing and those dumbasses are starting to die off...hopefully.
Because of the nature of the voting, if a specific year is strong with candidates it will be hard for the borderline players to get in. If a specific year is weak, then players that are considered sure bets to get in will probably be able to easily get in on the first ballot.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:20 pm to VinegarStrokes
Nah man, Joe DiMaggio didn't make it first ballot half a century ago so there's no way Chipper can.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:13 pm to DallasTiger45
quote:Ah, so he is the thirty-twoth best.
84.6 career fWAR- 32th best among position players
That seals it.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 5:48 pm to Elleshoe
Yes.... best switch hitter of all time
But, its baseball, so he won't be
But, its baseball, so he won't be
Posted on 5/15/17 at 6:35 pm to Elleshoe
Nope.......
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