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re: Hypothetical involving Alabama, Oregon and Notre Dame
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:55 pm to wm72
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:55 pm to wm72
Here is what ND has in its advantage:
Miami
OU
Michigan/Michigan St all are probable BCSCC
Navy BYU are bowl teams
USC will probably be in the PAC 12 CGC
Pitt could win Big East but doubt it. Wake and BC are what bring the SOS down.
Plus they play 12 FBS games, which helps.
That's some serious résumé building there.
Miami
OU
Michigan/Michigan St all are probable BCSCC
Navy BYU are bowl teams
USC will probably be in the PAC 12 CGC
Pitt could win Big East but doubt it. Wake and BC are what bring the SOS down.
Plus they play 12 FBS games, which helps.
That's some serious résumé building there.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 10:59 pm
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Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:56 pm to Zamoro10
Oregon would have to win in a beauty contest but ND's schedule is tougher because of OU - and even a championship game would not help that much because the USC would have 3 losses at that point.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:59 pm to bisonduck
Of course, thsi hypothetical is very unlikely. OU or USC is going to beat Notre Dame. However, if they can win those two games, then they deserve it.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:02 pm to bisonduck
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Of course, thsi hypothetical is very unlikely. OU or USC is going to beat Notre Dame. However, if they can win those two games, then they deserve it.
Just like Miami, Michigan, and Michigan St. were GOING to beat ND?
Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:04 pm to Zamoro10
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But I just don't see ND beating USC by a wider margin than Oregon...it doesn't seem that is how ND is built compared to Oregon.
It's probably all moot because I really doubt ND beats USC unless USC has some injury issues before then.
However, I agree that a ND win would have to be extremely impressive and coupled with an impressive win at Oklahoma (since Kansas St has already beaten them at home too) to sway voters enough when Oregon would, in this scenario, would beat USC for the second time right after ND.
Agree with H-Town Tiger that Oregon would have to really have some narrow escapes against a couple of mediocre teams for ND to jump them on a significant amount of ballots.
Michigan winning out would help ND a bit and Oklahoma not dropping more games would be crucial.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:05 pm to bisonduck
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ND will get thrown on
exactly what they said before the miami game.
out of the remaining schedule, only USC has the ability to do it and they have Oline issues.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:15 pm to sms151t
quote:
Here is what ND has in its advantage:
Miami
OU
Michigan/Michigan St all are probable BCSCC
Navy BYU are bowl teams
USC will probably be in the PAC 12 CGC
Pitt could win Big East but doubt it. Wake and BC are what bring the SOS down.
Plus they play 12 FBS games, which helps.
That's some serious résumé building there.
Agree about the 12 FBS games. I do think ND will fare really well in the computers due to this.
However, I'm not sure how much weight Navy, Pitt, Purdue etc carry with voters. Miami in name maybe but they're really not that good. I see a lot of FBS teams that don't carry more weight than Cal in my mind when I compare Oregon and ND's schedules (or Ole Miss etc on Alabama's for that matter).
I'm not saying it's not a good schedule. I just keep reading comments that make it seem like a murderer's row.
If Michigan and Oklahoma win out and USC beats Oregon it starts to look much better.
Otherwise, it's going to have a high number of 6-6 to 8-4 type Bowl teams but be a bit short on actual Top 10 ones.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:16 pm to Zamoro10
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Penn State was jumped in week 9 as #1 w/o losing in 1994.
That's true, but, they were only getting a plurality of #1 votes. Colorado and Nebraska were also getting #1 votes.
PSU also moved from 3 to 1 after #1 Florida lost, jumping both CU and NU. Nebraska passed Penn State after beating #2 Colorado. All 3 had been getting #1 votes and Nebraska got the majority of CU votes iirc. Weird circumstance there that will not be the case this year.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:20 pm to bisonduck
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Oregon would have to win in a beauty contest but ND's schedule is tougher because of OU
yes, but OU would have a minimum of 2 loses and they do have to go to West Virginia. Just to be safe, I'd root for Texas this week if I were you
Seriously though a road win over a 2 loss OU would help ND in the computers, but I don't think that's enough to vault over Oregon in the "human" polls.
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I do think ND will fare really well in the computers due to this.
Oregon would still be #2 in computers. If Notre Dame is #1 in the computers (possible) maybe they'd pass Oregon, but even with their SOS, I don;t think they'd be #1 in all the computers over an undefeated SEC team. Is So Car wins out, they would probably be #1 in the computers.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:22 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Seriously though a road win over a 2 loss OU would help ND in the computers, but I don't think that's enough to vault over Oregon in the "human" polls.
When it comes to a potential matchup with Alabama it is more than enough.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:25 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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When it comes to a potential matchup with Alabama it is more than enough.
No its not, take your tinfoil hat somewhere else. If OU loses at home to ND, they will not win in Morgantown.
Posted on 10/10/12 at 12:03 am to H-Town Tiger
I want to say we've moved past name brand...but look at last year.
If Okie State is USC or ND...they play LSU for the title.
Never underestimate the public voters - Harris and the salivating factor for ESPN. As Cowherd always says...and you sort of have to agree...we want to see the big boys on the big stage.
There is no doubt, USC or ND versus Bama is what the voters would prefer...with USC, the justification would be obvious - win out (ain't going to happen at all) - with ND...they would pound the schedule like they pounded the "eyeball test" last year as their excuse.
If ND gives the public a reason to love them, the voters usually run with it. It's almost like they're itching for it.
The more I think about, the more Oregon would have to be worried if both of them won out along with Bama.
If Okie State is USC or ND...they play LSU for the title.
Never underestimate the public voters - Harris and the salivating factor for ESPN. As Cowherd always says...and you sort of have to agree...we want to see the big boys on the big stage.
There is no doubt, USC or ND versus Bama is what the voters would prefer...with USC, the justification would be obvious - win out (ain't going to happen at all) - with ND...they would pound the schedule like they pounded the "eyeball test" last year as their excuse.
If ND gives the public a reason to love them, the voters usually run with it. It's almost like they're itching for it.
The more I think about, the more Oregon would have to be worried if both of them won out along with Bama.
Posted on 10/10/12 at 12:26 am to sms151t
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quote: Of course, thsi hypothetical is very unlikely. OU or USC is going to beat Notre Dame. However, if they can win those two games, then they deserve it.
Just like Miami, Michigan, and Michigan St. were GOING to beat ND?
Why is Miami even mentioned?
Michigan is almost as laughable. IMO SC and OU beat all those teams, so yes I think one or even both will win.
Posted on 10/10/12 at 12:48 am to Zamoro10
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..but look at last year.
If Okie State is USC or ND...they play LSU for the title
True, but Ok State had done nothing before last year. Oregon was in that spot in 2001. Now, however, Oregon has built a brand name. They were in the title game just 2 years ago and won the Rose Bowl last year. They've built some equity. OSU started last year # 9, behind Alabama, this year Oregon has been ahead of Notre Dame all along. There will be media frenzy if Notre Dame goes unbeaten, but as long as Oregon takes care of business, I can't see them falling barring a bad win, I don't see. ND is too far back. The pollsters rarely move teams way up, over other teams with the same record. I get the concern and if was 10 years ago I'd agree, but Oregon is now a big boy. Hell in 2003 LSU was #2 in everything and OU and USC had bigger brands.
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they would pound the schedule like they pounded the "eyeball test" last year as their excuse
Unless ND slaughters Stanford and USC, while Oregon barely beats both, the SOS won't carry as much weight. People are putting too much stock in OU who already has a loss and does have a game at WVU. ND was unbeaten in 2002 thru 8 games and never got higher than #4.
This post was edited on 10/10/12 at 12:54 am
Posted on 10/10/12 at 1:04 am to H-Town Tiger
But Oregon also lost in their BCS title game matchup with an SEC team and lost to LSU bad last year. There could be Oregon fatigue if it's the SEC champion...as in, we've seen this movie before.
I still think it would come down to...who beat USC worse...especially if Oregon crushes the Pac 12 South winner.
But I just remember all too well the zaniness whenever ND looks sort of good.
2005 USC was #1 and ND was #9 (4-1) and the game was billed as "The Game of the Century."
"Yes, Southern Cal-Notre Dame was indeed the Game of the Century, and probably the 20th century, too." - Wilbon, Washington Post
I still think it would come down to...who beat USC worse...especially if Oregon crushes the Pac 12 South winner.
But I just remember all too well the zaniness whenever ND looks sort of good.
2005 USC was #1 and ND was #9 (4-1) and the game was billed as "The Game of the Century."
"Yes, Southern Cal-Notre Dame was indeed the Game of the Century, and probably the 20th century, too." - Wilbon, Washington Post
This post was edited on 10/10/12 at 1:05 am
Posted on 10/10/12 at 1:40 am to Zamoro10
They lost to Auburn by 3. I don't think that would be a factor. Maybe if, like OSU they had lost 2 straight CG badly, but not just losing a regular season game last year to LSU.
Game of the century is a term that jumped the shark a long time ago, There's one almost every year now. I honestly don't recall that being said about the 05 USC-ND game, one comment by a non college guy like Wilbon notwithstanding. I remember a lot more hype about tOSU-UM in 06. And I vividly remember the 05 USC-ND game, I had ND +13.5
Game of the century is a term that jumped the shark a long time ago, There's one almost every year now. I honestly don't recall that being said about the 05 USC-ND game, one comment by a non college guy like Wilbon notwithstanding. I remember a lot more hype about tOSU-UM in 06. And I vividly remember the 05 USC-ND game, I had ND +13.5
This post was edited on 10/10/12 at 1:41 am
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:42 am to H-Town Tiger
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ND is too far back. The pollsters rarely move teams way up, over other teams with the same record. I get the concern and if was 10 years ago I'd agree, but Oregon is now a big boy.
You underestimate media influence.
Heck, ESPN broadcasted NDs weekly press conference live yesterday. Oregon may be a "big boy" but they are a tier below ND at this point.
I do not see ND going undefeated ftr, so all this discussion albeit interesting is just white noise anyways.
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:45 am to Zamoro10
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But I just remember all too well the zaniness whenever ND looks sort of good.
It has already began. Look where Gameday is this week? Sportscenter broadcasted BKs press conference live yesterday.
Herbie, Fowler, etc all want to see teams schedule at a higher level so they would start pimping the ND train as well.
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:57 am to rocket31
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You underestimate media influence.
Nah, you guys are overestimating the media"s desire to see Notre Dame in the BCS CG. You mistake laziness and hype for an overt agenda. While overall ND is the most popular, there are people who despise them. They may get a lot of hype, but contrary to popular belief, they do get all the breaks. See 1993 for example. They probably deserved to be #1 and a lot of people argued for them, FSU, who they beat, still won the NC.
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Oregon may be a "big boy" but they are a tier below ND at this point.
In a vacuum yes, if given a hypothetical scenario where ND and Oregon go undefeated, most people would probably pick ND, but we don't live in a vacuum. Oregon is in fact ranked #2 right now and unlike Notre Dame has recent high level success. Barring them stumbling, I don't see why ND would pass them. Its not like literally no one would go to bat for Oregon.
I'm still waiting for an example where a team got shoved aside for a bigger name team after being well ahead of them all year. In 2004 Auburn started lower than OU and USC. Last year, OSU lost after Bama. 94, NU passed PSU after beating CU when all 3 where getting first place votes and none had a majority.
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:57 am to H-Town Tiger
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Nah, you guys are overestimating the media"s desire to see Notre Dame in the BCS CG.
It happened last year with Alabama.
EDIT: it will also largely depend on what NDs opponents do.
Does Michigan or MSU win the B1G?
How well does Miami perform in the ACC?
Does OU win the Big12?
This post was edited on 10/10/12 at 11:01 am
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