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Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:58 pm to RollTide1987
If Notre Dame gets thru their schedule undefeated, they should be #1. Hands down.
Bama would still be #2 in front of Oregon
Bama would still be #2 in front of Oregon
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:01 pm to LSUintheNW
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As I've already stated previously. It wouldn't matter if ND's schedule wasn't tougher they'd be in regardless. Oregon doesn't have the name power ND does
Look, I'm one of the first to talk about the power of name brand and historically Notre Dame has a bigger name, but unlike 2001, Oregon is now recognized as an elite power. They were in the BCS CG 2 years ago and in the top 5 last year. Unless they have some really unimpressive win, i don't see the voters just having Notre Dame jump them. Remember Oregon is currently #2 and they play USC before Notre Dame does. If Oregon beats them it will take a little luster off ND beating them. Pollsters do go for name brand, but they also don't usually drop teams they've been voting in the top 2 all year if that team doesn't lose.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:02 pm to RollTide1987
Notre Dame would be #2 after beating USC.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:05 pm to BayouBengals03
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If Notre Dame gets thru their schedule undefeated, they should be #1. Hands down.
Bama would still be #2 in front of Oregon
Maybe they should be, but they wouldn't be.
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Notre Dame would be #2 after beating USC.
Why would they vault Oregon if they beat a USC team with 3 loses that Oregon would already have beaten.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:07 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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But for the most part it's always been right, especially lately.
I'd argue the 2 "best" teams did not play in : 98, 99, 00, 03 or 08.
And if we can "see" who the 2 best teams are, then there was no reason to have a CG last year. 2 best teams arguments works for years like 2005.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Why would they vault Oregon if they beat a USC team with 3 loses that Oregon would already have beaten.
I don't make the rules.
And for completing their schedule undefeated? A few extra bonus votes?
Probably will be irrelevant as both Oregon and Notre Dame will lose at some point. I don't see ANY BCS team finishing the season unbeaten. Maybe one, like last year.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:17 pm to sms151t
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Hypothetical involving Alabama, Oregon and Notre DameAnd I think ND has best front 7 in nation and can run the ball. Either UO ND Bama UF games would be good ones to watch. But right now and it can change tomorrow I got it...
Look what happened to Stanford when they got spread out with no secondary. ND will get thrown on and a team like USC with a good front seven and monster at FS will load the box and stop the run game.
ND will lose. Oregon has less deficiencies.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:17 pm to BayouBengals03
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I don't make the rules.
Do you at least have a link to these rules? You guys are just speculating. If Oregon and ND both go undefeated, I really don't think the voters would move Oregon down.
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And for completing their schedule undefeated? A few extra bonus votes?
We are assuming both are undefeated. Its rare for voters to move teams that don't lose down from the top 2 spots. While they do consider SOS, the difference between schedules is not nearly as great as many on this board are making it out. Both would have beaten USC and Stanford. Outside of OU, who would have a minimum of 2 loses, nothing on ND's schedule is vastly superior to Oregon's. Pac 12 more less = to some B1G and ACC teams.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:18 pm to sms151t
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quote: Oregon is much better than ND. Oregon may be the best team in the country.
Because they can score quick? I think Notre Dame and Florida are better than Oregon. But Oregon is fun to watch.
Oregon can play some defense too. Like the offense the D is getting better as the season goes. I certainly wouldn't say either are better, especially ND.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:18 pm to H-Town Tiger
Alabama certainly catches a break in avoiding the top 3 SEC east teams in the regular season and having Michigan and Arkansas both be worse than expected.
However, there's some hocus pocus going on here in trying to frame Oregon's schedule out to be much stronger if any.
Missouri may well be weak but what does say about Arizona St?
LSU may not be as good as advertised but the offense was hardly struggling more than Oregon's against Washington, who didn't seem outmatched by Stanford.
I'm not saying Alabama's schedule is all that tough but, if they go through the SEC championship game there is a good chance they'll be the only one of these three (Oregon and Notre Dame) that faces 2 teams that end up in the Top10.
I also say this as someone who thinks the PAC12 is a solid conference that may be lacking numerous elite teams but is filled with teams good enough to challenge on a given day just like the SEC.
However, there's some hocus pocus going on here in trying to frame Oregon's schedule out to be much stronger if any.
Missouri may well be weak but what does say about Arizona St?
LSU may not be as good as advertised but the offense was hardly struggling more than Oregon's against Washington, who didn't seem outmatched by Stanford.
I'm not saying Alabama's schedule is all that tough but, if they go through the SEC championship game there is a good chance they'll be the only one of these three (Oregon and Notre Dame) that faces 2 teams that end up in the Top10.
I also say this as someone who thinks the PAC12 is a solid conference that may be lacking numerous elite teams but is filled with teams good enough to challenge on a given day just like the SEC.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:23 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Look, I'm one of the first to talk about the power of name brand and historically Notre Dame has a bigger name, but unlike 2001, Oregon is now recognized as an elite power. They were in the BCS CG 2 years ago and in the top 5 last year. Unless they have some really unimpressive win, i don't see the voters just having Notre Dame jump them. Remember Oregon is currently #2 and they play USC before Notre Dame does. If Oregon beats them it will take a little luster off ND beating them. Pollsters do go for name brand, but they also don't usually drop teams they've been voting in the top 2 all year if that team doesn't lose.
I won't believe it until I see it. Don't have much faith in the system. The voters may not jump them but I don't have faith in the computers. If it happens it means Oregon has risen to a point I never imagined would happen.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:23 pm to sms151t
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Because they can score quick? I think Notre Dame and Florida are better than Oregon. But Oregon is fun to watch.
No.
Just no.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:30 pm to USMC Gators
Why do you not think UF isn't as good? I guess I think Florida has better defense and special teams and can win that game. As I said put any of 4 I listed against each other and will be a great game.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:38 pm to LSUintheNW
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. The voters may not jump them but I don't have faith in the computers.
ND could easily be ranked #2 in the computers given they probably have a better, though not vastly better SOS. But I don't think the human polls, which account for 2/3 of the BCS would move ND ahead of Oregon, unless, like I said Oregon struggles with some crap team or something.
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However, there's some hocus pocus going on here in trying to frame Oregon's schedule out to be much stronger if any.
I'm not saying Oregon's schedule is better, just that Bama's is not as great as people think. The SEC is the best conference and has the most ranked teams so everyone just assumes every SEC team plays some monster schedule. But we only play 8 of 14 teams. So Carolina otoh plays a monster stretch starting last week. If they win the next 2, the should be #1.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:42 pm to H-Town Tiger
There is no way we are ahead of ND and I am an Oregon fan. I wouldn't feel like we deserved it if ND can get through their schedule unscathed.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:47 pm to bisonduck
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There is no way we are ahead of ND and I am an Oregon fan. I wouldn't feel like we deserved it if ND can get through their schedule unscathed.
you are already ahead of Notre Dame. It would be unprecedented for an undefeated #2 team to fall like that in the human polls. I know the "media" loves Notre Dame, but Oregon is now a brand name in their own right. Besides, their schedule is not that much tougher. OU and USC vs USC and maybe USC again. Remember you play USC first, so will them beating a twice beaten USC seem as impressive.
ETA: The only team that will move ahead if they win out is South Carolina. Their schedule > Notre Dame. My prediction undefeated SEC Champ is in and so is Oregon if they win out, no matter who else finishes undefeated.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:50 pm to bisonduck
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There is no way we are ahead of ND and I am an Oregon fan. I wouldn't feel like we deserved it if ND can get through their schedule unscathed.
Am I the only one that thinks Notre Dame's schedule is strong enough but being a bit exaggerated?
ND plays these Top20 teams:
Stanford, @Oklahoma, USC
Oregon (to go undefeated would likely) play:
Stanford, USC X2
Are Michigan, Michigan St, BYU, Miami that much better than Oregon St, Arizona, Arizona St, Washington?
ND has less absolute cupcakes than Oregon but seriously no team other than any these above should be close to challenging a potential NC team.
This post was edited on 10/9/12 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:51 pm to H-Town Tiger
There are a lot of factors but Oregon State, Stanford, and USC would have to play there part. However, in this assumption Stanford and USC are at least 3 loss teams with Oregon and Notre Dame beating them. We would need Oregon State to be the equivalent to OU. Then we would need an ASU/UW/UA to be the same as Michigan/Michigan State. I guess the championship game would help.
Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:51 pm to H-Town Tiger
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you are already ahead of Notre Dame. It would be unprecedented for an undefeated #2 team to fall like that in the human polls.
At the very end of the season it would be weird but before...it's not unheard of.
Penn State was jumped in week 9 as #1 w/o losing in 1994.
But I just don't see ND beating USC by a wider margin than Oregon...it doesn't seem that is how ND is built compared to Oregon.
Since they have common opponents...it would be really hard for ND to jump Oregon if they're both undefeated despite ND's name brand.
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