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re: Hypo: How would committee handle the SEC situation w/ Ole Miss
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:52 am to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:52 am to FightinTigersDammit
Let's add to the absurdity of "conference championships" in the Playoff Committee era.
You could argue the other side and say Bama is actually getting penalized thanks to the "hail lateral" play because if Ole Miss wins that game, Bama is already a playoff lock.
Now they have to go to Atlanta and beat Florida, and if they don't they are out of the playoffs completely
You could argue the other side and say Bama is actually getting penalized thanks to the "hail lateral" play because if Ole Miss wins that game, Bama is already a playoff lock.
Now they have to go to Atlanta and beat Florida, and if they don't they are out of the playoffs completely
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Posted on 11/29/15 at 12:05 pm to Eighteen
I've been thinking of this scenario as well, damn you Ole Miss. How can you not stop a 4th and 25 
I'm all for chaos so this would've been awesome.
I'm all for chaos so this would've been awesome.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 12:09 pm to Eighteen
The committee (and the general public) will latch onto whatever argument they prefer in a given year. Typically the argument appears to be a rationalization to defend their favorite big name team - and will often outright contradict the sentiment of criteria from previous years.
If a bad loss would disqualify a team they don't prefer (Ok State 11) that will be the criteria, if it would rule out the team they prefer (USC 03) then that will be considered a fluke that shouldn't reasonably be considered.
If a conference championship criteria would rule out a team they don't want in the championship game (OU 03) then that will be touted as an objectively good criteria, if it would rule out a team judged better by the eye test (Bama 11 or 15 in the hypothetical) then it would be thrown out as irrelevant.
If a bad loss would disqualify a team they don't prefer (Ok State 11) that will be the criteria, if it would rule out the team they prefer (USC 03) then that will be considered a fluke that shouldn't reasonably be considered.
If a conference championship criteria would rule out a team they don't want in the championship game (OU 03) then that will be touted as an objectively good criteria, if it would rule out a team judged better by the eye test (Bama 11 or 15 in the hypothetical) then it would be thrown out as irrelevant.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 2:47 pm to Eighteen
FWIW, I'd be ok with Bama at 11-1 being ranked above a 10-2 SEC Champ Ole Miss.
I have no clue how the committee would handle that one though.
I have no clue how the committee would handle that one though.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 2:47 pm to FightinTigersDammit
quote:Well...it never has happened, so I'm not sure what your point is here.
You mean Alabama would get in ahead of the SEC champ that beat them in the regular season?
Never happen.
Oh, wait........
Posted on 11/29/15 at 4:05 pm to molsusports
quote:
The committee (and the general public) will latch onto whatever argument they prefer in a given year. Typically the argument appears to be a rationalization to defend their favorite big name team - and will often outright contradict the sentiment of criteria from previous years.
If a bad loss would disqualify a team they don't prefer (Ok State 11) that will be the criteria, if it would rule out the team they prefer (USC 03) then that will be considered a fluke that shouldn't reasonably be considered.
If a conference championship criteria would rule out a team they don't want in the championship game (OU 03) then that will be touted as an objectively good criteria, if it would rule out a team judged better by the eye test (Bama 11 or 15 in the hypothetical) then it would be thrown out as irrelevant.
Yes, all of this.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 4:13 pm to Eighteen
So tell me who should be in over Bama?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 4:31 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:
So tell me who should be in over Bama?
The point of this thread.
Your head.
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 4:47 pm to shel311
quote:
FWIW, I'd be ok with Bama at 11-1 being ranked above a 10-2 SEC Champ Ole Miss. I have no clue how the committee would handle that one though.
Why?
Not only would ole miss have all bonus stuff like winning the the division and the conference, they'd also have the h2h win in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 5:04 pm to castorinho
quote:I personally think, given similar strengths of schedule, the team that went 11-1 is better than the team that went 10-2.
Why?
Not only would ole miss have all bonus stuff like winning the the division and the conference, they'd also have the h2h win in Tuscaloosa.
There's no real point to playing out of conference games if you don't place any weight on losing one IMO.
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 5:34 pm to Eighteen
The sheer possibility of this scenario should cause the SEC to change their tiebreaker procedure for next season. Tiebreaker should be least number of losses (to account for cancelled games like LSU's nonsense).
Making sure the conference is represented by a team with the best CFP chances is that important.
Just put in some language to keep teams from cancelling late season games.
Making sure the conference is represented by a team with the best CFP chances is that important.
Just put in some language to keep teams from cancelling late season games.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 5:45 pm to shel311
They'd be 11-2.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:18 pm to shel311
quote:
There's no real point to playing out of conference games if you don't place any weight on losing one IMO.
Agree. It's why it's right to say that a conference championship is simply one more feather in a team's resume rather than the end-all, be-all determinant.
As much as people say the committee seems to "move the goalposts" I think much of it is due to dealing with the wildly uneven scheduling in college football.
Most probably agree that an 11-1 Alabama this year has done a bit more than a potential 10-2 Ole Miss but if Alabama had Baylor's schedule and Ole Miss had scheduled and lost to, say, Oklahoma OOC then you want the committee to be able to consider that.
What I do think is that the OP has a good point about conference championship games.
Seems there's hardly a 50% chance the game will actually help a conference team get into the playoffs rather than hurt them but they make a lot of money so they'll likely stay.
ADDED: I don't agree with the idea that you count OOC loses as a conference tiebreaker since the last thing we need is any deterrent to teams scheduling premier OOC match-ups.
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 6:31 pm to wm72
Winning a conference is a stupid measure. Choose the best four teams regardless of conference affiliation or whether they won a conference championship.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 7:12 pm to lynxcat
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:16 am to Rig
quote:
How would the committee handle it? They'd send Alabama and wouldn't think twice about it
Without a doubt
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:20 am to Ancient Astronaut
Seems like the SECCG has helped the SEC out more often than hurt us.
At least in the BCS era it did.
At least in the BCS era it did.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:24 am to Eighteen
quote:
Hypothetical: Ole Miss doesn't blow the game
TL;DR
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:42 am to Eighteen
quote:
You could argue the other side and say Bama is actually getting penalized thanks to the "hail lateral" play because if Ole Miss wins that game, Bama is already a playoff lock.
I don't think they would be, for the same reason Ohio State is probably done if Iowa wins Saturday. They might still get in, but far from a lock.
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