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Hypo: How would committee handle the SEC situation w/ Ole Miss
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:50 am
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:50 am
Hypothetical: Ole Miss doesn't blow the game against Arkansas (4th and 25 hail lateral), Ole Miss would be going to Atlanta to play Florida for rematch at 10-2 (losses to Florida and Memphis)
Would Ole Miss be in the playoff picture at all? An 11-2 conference champion completely left out over a non-SEC champ they beat in the regular season?
ETA: I think it could've started a huge national conversation about the elimination of conference championship games because a lot of people would be asking "what's the point?"
If you have a committee determining the best teams, what's the point of having these end of the season games to crown conference champions that are only based on standings and not full body of work?
ETA 2: Let's add to the absurdity of "conference championships" in the Playoff Committee era.
You could argue the other side and say Bama is actually getting penalized thanks to the "hail lateral" play because if Ole Miss wins that game, Bama is already a playoff lock. Now they have to go to Atlanta and beat Florida, and if they don't they are out of the playoffs completely
ETA 3: ESPN article about this scenario posted today LINK
Would Ole Miss be in the playoff picture at all? An 11-2 conference champion completely left out over a non-SEC champ they beat in the regular season?
ETA: I think it could've started a huge national conversation about the elimination of conference championship games because a lot of people would be asking "what's the point?"
If you have a committee determining the best teams, what's the point of having these end of the season games to crown conference champions that are only based on standings and not full body of work?
ETA 2: Let's add to the absurdity of "conference championships" in the Playoff Committee era.
You could argue the other side and say Bama is actually getting penalized thanks to the "hail lateral" play because if Ole Miss wins that game, Bama is already a playoff lock. Now they have to go to Atlanta and beat Florida, and if they don't they are out of the playoffs completely
ETA 3: ESPN article about this scenario posted today LINK
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 11:15 am
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Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:53 am to Eighteen
Why would 10-2 Ole Miss be in the SEC title game over 11-1 Bama?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:53 am to Eighteen
yes
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:53 am to Ostrich
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Why would 10-2 Ole Miss be in the SEC title game over 11-1 Bama?
Non conference loss (Memphis)
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:54 am to Ostrich
because they beat bama and would have same conference record...
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:54 am to Eighteen
Ah
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:55 am to Eighteen
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4th and 25
That website though.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:56 am to Ostrich
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Why would 10-2 Ole Miss be in the SEC title game over 11-1 Bama?
1 of Ole Miss' losses was to an OOC opponent.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:58 am to Eighteen
Good question. Really hard to say. I would see the arguments on both sides. One of those scenarios is worse case for playoff committee. Same as some scenarios that were possible with the BCS from time to time.
Eventually one will happen like that. But there is always a worse case scenario for something that is opinion driven and not truly record driven like the major league sports are.
Eventually one will happen like that. But there is always a worse case scenario for something that is opinion driven and not truly record driven like the major league sports are.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:02 am to GatorReb
1 loss Ohio State would be a possibility over a 2 loss SEC champ. Would have been interesting.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:04 am to GatorReb
I think it could've started a huge national conversation about the elimination of conference championship games because a lot of people would be asking "what's the point?"
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 10:07 am
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:10 am to Eighteen
SEC Champs. Do not make Playoff. Get blown out in Big6 Bowl.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:15 am to Eighteen
You mean Alabama would get in ahead of the SEC champ that beat them in the regular season?
Never happen.
Oh, wait........
Never happen.
Oh, wait........
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:19 am to Eighteen
Have you not paid attention to the media. Alabama is still undefeated because when you beat yourself it technically isn't considered a loss.
Joey Galloway is about the only person I have seen in the media give Ole Miss credit for beating Alabama.
Joey Galloway is about the only person I have seen in the media give Ole Miss credit for beating Alabama.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:24 am to Eighteen
How would the committee handle it? They'd send Alabama and wouldn't think twice about it
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:32 am to Eighteen
Not only would I place a one-loss Bama over Ole Miss, I would put a one-loss Ohio State and Clemson team over them as well. Just because a team won their conference shouldn't grant them an automatic berth in the playoffs. Same thing applies with Stanford. I'm sorry but they don't deserve a shot over a one-loss Ohio State or Clemson. Stanford will have two losses against teams that are ranked lower than Michigan State or North Carolina. Why do they deserve to be in the playoffs over those two teams?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:35 am to Bench McElroy
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Not only would I place a one-loss Bama over Ole Miss, I would put a one-loss Ohio State and Clemson team over them as well. Just because a team won their conference shouldn't grant them an automatic berth in the playoffs. Same thing applies with Stanford. I'm sorry but they don't deserve a shot over a one-loss Ohio State or Clemson. Stanford will have two losses against teams that are ranked lower than Michigan State or North Carolina. Why do they deserve to be in the playoffs over those two teams?
I agree with all of this and that's sort of my point. Not saying Bama wouldn't deserve to get in, they definitely still should.
It just would've been the exact scenario that would've proved how stupid conference championship games are.
You'd have an SEC "Champion" not even in the playoffs, and an SEC team they beat as one of the best 4 and very well could be a National Champion. It would've been absurd (even though I know this is all hypothetical and none of this happened
) This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 10:38 am
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:50 am to FightinTigersDammit
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You mean Alabama would get in ahead of the SEC champ that beat them in the regular season?
Never happen.
Oh, wait........
huh? Did Bama get in over LSU?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:53 am to Eighteen
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I think it could've started a huge national conversation about the elimination of conference championship games because a lot of people would be asking "what's the point?"
CCG would be irrelevant. Both division winners would have two losses and a runner up would have 1 loss. The question would be over how to address nonconference games and the fact that teams in the same division have radically different OOC schedules.
The committee seems to put a lot of weight on conference champions, and I agree with them. If you didn't win your conference, then you didn't take care of business on the field. Tough cookies.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:04 am to Bestbank Tiger
So when LSU got in over Georgia in 2007, the argument was "Georgia didn't even win their own division".
So people are talking about Bama over Ole Miss (hypothetical) because "Bama is better and conference championships don't matter"? Show some consistency.
So people are talking about Bama over Ole Miss (hypothetical) because "Bama is better and conference championships don't matter"? Show some consistency.
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