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re: How much Push does Spieth's win give UnderArmor in the golf apparel bidness?

Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:15 am to
Posted by GeauxTigersLee
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:15 am to
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it's not like Nike is giving Tiger and Rory drivers off the shelf.
But both switched because of the endorsement, not because they felt like Nike had better equipment. Jordan has publicly stated that he wants to choose his endorsement based on the equipment not the other way around like Rory and Tiger did...and again, it's WHY he signed with UA.

For example, Jordan isn't going to switch putters for an endorsement deal. Like both Rory and Tiger did.

I just don't see him being the pilot person to get their equipment arm up and running. Maybe 5-10 years from now.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:37 am to
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He already said he will never change clubs based off an endorsement.



Tiger basically said the same thing without saying it, but ended up playing Nike clubs.

However, they are apparently just Titleist/Mizzuno molds with a Nike check on them
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:39 am to
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I do like how Spieth isn't covered in logos

Wait what


He's not.


UA on his hat, shirt, belt, and shoes, but he doesn't have 10 different brands on his sleeves, back, side of his hat, etc.

Its a single brand.

Similar to Nike and Tiger/Rory.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:40 am to
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But both switched because of the endorsement, not because they felt like Nike had better equipment. Jordan has publicly stated that he wants to choose his endorsement based on the equipment not the other way around like Rory and Tiger did...and again, it's WHY he signed with UA.

For example, Jordan isn't going to switch putters for an endorsement deal. Like both Rory and Tiger did.

I just don't see him being the pilot person to get their equipment arm up and running. Maybe 5-10 years from now.


These guys have whatever fricking clubs/putters they want molded with a Nike check on them.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:44 am to
His bag and clubhead covers are the only real estate he can use for non-UA branding.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:53 am to
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You could have said the same stuff about hunting apparel a few years ago. Brand loyal customer base in that sport/activity, too. UA is now a major player in the hunting game. They can do well in golf, too.



UA will really appeal more to 30+ year olds when they start making more conservative apparel. Jordan gets some pretty conservative UA designs, so it is a good start.

But as an AU guy who looks at UA gear all the time, they really need to inject some subtlety into some of the stuff for golf. I know older folks who view it as a gymrat (albeit performance) brand, but they'll probably need to break past that to really push Nike. Granted, the kids growing up on UA will advance it, but they'll probably want more subtle branding and styles as they get older, too.
Posted by Dick Leverage
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:25 am to
Kevin Shanks started UA in 96.....in his moms basement. No cash or investors. He maxed out every CC he had to $40,000 to develop the dry fit technology. Drove up and down the east coast trying to make sales for almost a year. First decent sale was to Georgia Tech for $17,000 late in 96.. Got some momentum and kept on. Warner Bros contracted UA in 99 to design uniforms for Any Given Sunday and The Replacements movies. More traction. "Protect This House" marketing caimpaign in 03 was the brilliant slogan he needed to make the leap. Has been growing like wildfire since.

Now, everybody has their own moisture wicking , breathable product with some trademarked name. Nike uses "Dry Fit." All of them are made in China. The big boys own their factories in China and have complete control of all costs and logistics. Smaller companies or those just starting out buy from one of 100s of manufactures who do private label by order. The biggest drawback there is you are at the mercy of a company half a world away who is doing orders for so many different clients.

I have spent the last half year getting ready to start my own brand of athletic apparel. I have trademarked several logos and marketing slogans. Will be happy if I am half as successful as Kevin has been over 19 years. I have a five phase growth plan that spans 15 years and I am getting ready to hit the road (literally) with my phase I initiative. Wish me luck.
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:33 am to
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Will be happy if I am half as successful as Kevin has been over 19 years.


You'll be happy as a multi millionare soon to be billionare?

You don't say.

Good luck nonetheless. Find your niche and exploit it.
This post was edited on 6/22/15 at 9:34 am
Posted by barry
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:39 am to
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I have spent the last half year getting ready to start my own brand of athletic apparel. I have trademarked several logos and marketing slogans. Will be happy if I am half as successful as Kevin has been over 19 years. I have a five phase growth plan that spans 15 years and I am getting ready to hit the road (literally) with my phase I initiative. Wish me luck.



Under Armour was originally called Body Armour and he couldn't get a trademark for it. His brother or friend asked how his Under Armour stuff was going on accident and Kevin Plank liked it so much he immediately went off to apply for a trade mark.

He actually used the british spelling because he wanted the phone number to be 1-800-4ARMOUR instead of 44ARMOR. No joke, he said he wasn't sure if that internet thing was going to catch on.




Good luck but its pretty black and white, people aren't half as successful, they are just successful or not. He had an in at Maryland, that helped him tremendously.
This post was edited on 6/22/15 at 9:40 am
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:41 am to
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ill be happy if I am half as successful as Kevin has been over 19 years.


Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79323 posts
Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:44 am to
When your company makes it big, please make a dry-fit type hat that is unstructured. Nobody fricking does this and it is ruining my headwear life.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:48 am to
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These guys have whatever fricking clubs/putters they want molded with a Nike check on them.
You are assuming Nike knows how to make the exact same club titleist does, they dont. Sure, the pros are using personally molded clubs. But if you are using personally molded titleist, and then change to Nike, they will differ
This post was edited on 6/22/15 at 9:51 am
Posted by barry
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:57 am to
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You are assuming Nike knows how to make the exact same club titleist does, they dont. Sure, the pros are using personally molded clubs. But if you are using personally molded titleist, and then change to Nike, they will differ



You don't think they can hire someone from titlist when they signed tiger?
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:59 am to
Can't wait for that Dick Leverage flat bill
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 10:23 am to
Greenland Apparel
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 6/22/15 at 10:30 am to
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You are assuming Nike knows how to make the exact same club titleist does, they dont. Sure, the pros are using personally molded clubs. But if you are using personally molded titleist, and then change to Nike, they will differ


Do you know how easy it is to reverse engineer a golf club?

Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 10:37 am to
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You are assuming Nike knows how to make the exact same club titleist does, they dont. Sure, the pros are using personally molded clubs. But if you are using personally molded titleist, and then change to Nike, they will differ



I'm pretty sure Nike could get one of their peoples to reverse engineer a club, if not hire away the original club designer.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29433 posts
Posted on 6/22/15 at 10:46 am to
That was my point. The clubs Tiger is playing are custom made to his specifications. Nike isn't giving him a driver on its way to Dick's.

Where I think it makes the biggest difference is in the balls. Nike's 20XI balls were shite and really opened the door for Taylormade to get some market share. If I'd of had to switch from a pro v1 to a 20xi, I'd of been pretty pissed.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95928 posts
Posted on 6/22/15 at 10:48 am to
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if not hire away the original club designer.
I would imagine the designers sign non competes. If not titleist are morons.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117734 posts
Posted on 6/22/15 at 10:49 am to
Why everyone doesn't hit a pro v1x is just insane.

Best ball ever.
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