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re: Has any college football program fallen harder than Southern Miss?

Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:57 am to
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:57 am to
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Didn’t USM just beat the top ranked G5 team last season?


They did.

Which makes this season more baffling, as many thought they’d possibly be at least in the running for a Sun Belt Conference Championship.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 10:05 am
Posted by Ole Mule
Too far south
Member since Mar 2011
4555 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:57 am to
La. Tech has fallen pretty hard with the last couple years of Skip Holtz and some terrible AD's. And I don't see anything from head coach Sonny Cumbie that leads me to believe he can turn it around.


Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:59 am to
Nebraska.

Southern Miss was generally a competitive team for a good many decades of their history, but Nebraska was a national power. The hold the NCAA record for most consecutive bowl appearances and, for a good portion of that run, bowl games were few and far between. You had to be worth a shite to make one. We're talking about a team that went from finishing in the Top 10-15 every year to not making a post-season bowl game since 2016.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 10:00 am
Posted by New Money
Athens, GA
Member since Jun 2023
1210 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:59 am to
Will Hall is a good coach despite his having played/coached at rivals to one of my alma maters.

That job just may be too big of a hole.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145254 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:05 am to
Southern miss was a decent mid major who usually won more games than they lost...Nebraska was a behemoth for half a century, finishing in the top 10 year in, year out, with multiple teams that are in the discussion for greatest of all time

Not even in the same stratosphere of fall
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
3663 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:07 am to
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but Tulane has beaten them 3/4 with none of them being close.

So, you’re trashing a school about falling hard when (without me looking up the scores…just basing this on your quote in bold) Tulane has routed them 3 times, yet they while being routed in the 4th game?
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 10:08 am
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21405 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:08 am to
quote:

Will Hall is a good coach despite his having played/coached at rivals to one of my alma maters.

That job just may be too big of a hole.


I could be mistaken, but I seem to remember Southern Miss hit a patch with an administration that pretty much tried to starve and kill off athletics, or at least football.

As the Cajuns and Tulane has found, that can take a decade or more to recover from depending on how long such a mentality is allowed to last.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96435 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:12 am to
USM’s problems were a mix of “bad hiring” and “poor funding.”


They chased off Jeff Bower, an alum, to put Larry Fedora in charge because they weren’t happy that things had regressed to about .500 ball. Fedora succeeded but was able to move onto UNC while he was replaced with a fricking donut who immediately went 0-12 and got canned.

USM had to sell their home game against Nebraska back to them to be played in Lincoln to afford his buyout.

It has been downhill from there even despite peaks such as playing in the CUSA title game.
Posted by generalgator87
Member since Nov 2022
284 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:13 am to
It's definitely not the top answer for this, but USF football fell pretty hard pretty fast. They went from Jim Leavitt coaching and being #2 in the nation, to getting into a good conference at the time (Big East), to dropping down to the AAC and only winning 4 games in 3 seasons. There were a couple good years under Willy Taggart and one under Charlie Strong, but the wheels came off bad under Jeff Scott.

Luckily things seem to be improving under Golesh and they are finally getting an on campus stadium, so things might be on the upswing.

It's just crazy to compare them with UCF, which went from 0-12 in 2015 to now playing in the Big 12.
Posted by MasterAbe1
Member since Oct 2016
5043 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:14 am to
I’m a USM grad and just talked about this last night with a friend. 2011 killed a lot of the upper momentum (they could be in the big 12 right now had they stayed at top of CUSA), and the hiring of Hopson pushed out all donors. All of our athletics outside of baseball are lackluster
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
16995 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:17 am to
Miami, soon to be Clemson
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
Member since Jun 2018
29164 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:19 am to
No. LSU's defense.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96435 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:19 am to
Basketball used to be a thing between Clarence Witherspoon in the 90s and having hired Larry Eustachy as coach in the 2000s.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
20326 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:19 am to
Centenary College

They beat LSU two years in a row, and also during their heyday they beat Baylor, Rice, SMU, Texas A&M and Boston College.
Posted by SoFlaGuy
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Apr 2020
847 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:20 am to
Georgia Tech - won in 1990...lost to Bowling Green, Citadel, Temple to say a few. Tough to watch week in and week out.
Posted by OldManRiver
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2005
6925 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:20 am to
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It's almost forgotten now, but Ty Willingham nearly killed the Washington program after going 0-12 his final season.

It's really a miracle Sark did what he did there to pull them out of the abyss that they were heading into.

I remember sitting in the stands in 2009 for Sarks first game. LSU played it's typical Les Miles game, letting an inferior team hang around before finally pulling away late.

UW scored on the final play of the game to make it like a 10 point deficit or something. The crowd reacted like they had just won the conference on the last snap. Place went nuts. They were so starved for anything resembling competent play that pulling within 2 scores of LSU at the end was a remarkable accomplishment
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30710 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:56 am to
Nebraska
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37161 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:03 am to
The program absolutely collapsed in 2012 under Ellis Johnson. They got him out after 1 year, but the damage lasted much longer.

And, all that happened at the exact same time as the first big round of realignment. They sucked, and sucked hard, at the absolute worst time.

Southern Miss has a better athletic department, at the time, then a number of schools that got upgraded to the AAC. However, that football downfall, along with some bad admin hires, absolutely destroyed them for a minute.

Add in, Hattiesburg is a small town with no media numbers, not a huge fan base, and somewhat hard to get to.

Going into the sunbelt will at least let them rekindle some regional rivals and be in a very good baseball conference.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
15365 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:05 am to
The only answer has to be Nebraska .
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25886 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:07 am to
As many have noted Nebraska and/or Stanford appear to be the answer. But if we’re talking mid majors I’d toss ECU out there. ECU had a stretch where they were arguably the best non P5 or 6 team out there but they fell on hard times for about a decade. They had a couple of solid seasons the last 2 years but are off to a rough spot.

I swear there were a few years there where they were always knocking off VT, UVA, UNC, NC State.. or threatening to do so. They’re position has basically be usurped by App St.
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