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Good article on FB committee politics
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:23 pm
I read this article today in the Minneapolis StarTribune. I know this subject has been beaten to death, but it's nice to have columnists expose some of the committee's decisions as frauds.
[link=( https://m.startribune.com/sports/285443571.html?interstitial=true)]Pat Reusse[/link]
[link=( https://m.startribune.com/sports/285443571.html?interstitial=true)]Pat Reusse[/link]
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:29 pm to RedMustang
Politicking in college football is nothing new.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:34 pm to RedMustang
Pretty interesting info on the Miss. St and Mich St flip flop.
But his attempt at being cute by implying that Archie Manning's only qualification was being the father of famous quarterbacks was asinine.
But his attempt at being cute by implying that Archie Manning's only qualification was being the father of famous quarterbacks was asinine.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:52 pm to RedMustang
The Big/Pac hoodwinked the rest of the country somehow.
Condi-Stanford Professor
Tom Jernstandt former Oregon player
Pat Haden USC Athletic Director
Ty Willingham coached at Washington played at Mich. St.
Barry Alvarez Born in Pennsylvania, played at Nebraska current A.D. at Wisconsin.
Tom Osborne coached at Nebraska Big Ten member
Lt. General Michael Gould from Kent Ohio.
West Virginia A.D. Oliver Luck, Cleveland Ohio native.
Jeff Long, Arkansas A.D. born in Kettering Ohio played at Ohio Wesleyan and was in the Michigan administration at one time.
Three Ohio guys to go with 3 PAC people and 3 Big Ten people ( Willingham is both Pac and Big Ten but played at Mich. St.)
Dan Radakovich, the Clemson A.D. was born in Aliquippa Pennsylvania. Big Ten country.
Mike Tranghese is a former Big East commissioner ( New York/ Rutgers ) who sued TCU when they reneged on coming to the Big East, for 5 million dollars.
Steve Wieberg is from Missouri and works at the K.C. Star currently, but he spent 30 years with the USA Today, a New York newspaper ( Rutgers )
Honestly, looking at where these cats loyalty is, does anyone believe that TCU or Baylor ever had a chance in hell of making the playoffs over Ohio St. or any Big Ten team if it was close ?
The Former Big east commissioner should have recused himself.
Condi-Stanford Professor
Tom Jernstandt former Oregon player
Pat Haden USC Athletic Director
Ty Willingham coached at Washington played at Mich. St.
Barry Alvarez Born in Pennsylvania, played at Nebraska current A.D. at Wisconsin.
Tom Osborne coached at Nebraska Big Ten member
Lt. General Michael Gould from Kent Ohio.
West Virginia A.D. Oliver Luck, Cleveland Ohio native.
Jeff Long, Arkansas A.D. born in Kettering Ohio played at Ohio Wesleyan and was in the Michigan administration at one time.
Three Ohio guys to go with 3 PAC people and 3 Big Ten people ( Willingham is both Pac and Big Ten but played at Mich. St.)
Dan Radakovich, the Clemson A.D. was born in Aliquippa Pennsylvania. Big Ten country.
Mike Tranghese is a former Big East commissioner ( New York/ Rutgers ) who sued TCU when they reneged on coming to the Big East, for 5 million dollars.
Steve Wieberg is from Missouri and works at the K.C. Star currently, but he spent 30 years with the USA Today, a New York newspaper ( Rutgers )
Honestly, looking at where these cats loyalty is, does anyone believe that TCU or Baylor ever had a chance in hell of making the playoffs over Ohio St. or any Big Ten team if it was close ?
The Former Big east commissioner should have recused himself.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 7:52 pm to RedMustang
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My favorite lie came as Long explained Sunday’s switch of Michigan State and Mississippi State at Nos. 7 and 8, when neither team played a game on the last weekend. What Long said was the committee took a harder look and decided it had been wrong in having Michigan State at No. 7 a week earlier.
What actually happened was Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany reached inside the committee room and asked to have the Spartans dropped to No. 8, so that they wouldn’t go to the Orange Bowl, allowing the Big Ten to send a team (the Gophers, as it turned out) to the Citrus Bowl in Orlando, and still put the Spartans in the Cotton Bowl, and get all the Big Ten bowl-eligibles lined up neatly.
There was no way for Long to explain the Michigan State/Mississippi State flip-flop other than to tell a tall yarn. Luckily, the chairman could draw on the experience of overseeing a committee that had produced rankings that were a lie for the six previous Tuesdays.
I like how this dude called them out.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:17 pm to tigerpimpbot
There was really no reason whatsoever for Michigan St to even be ranked over Miss St in the first place since the committee supposedly valued quality wins.
Did Mich St have any top 25 wins at all? Seems the committee just pulled out some AP poll logic the week before and dropped Miss St too far for the loss to Ole Miss.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:50 pm to RedMustang
The entire committee thing is a farce.... it needs some sort of objective element, like computer rankings
Honestly, the bcs formula is way better than this committee bullshite... and coming from an auburn fan, that should me a lot.
Honestly, the bcs formula is way better than this committee bullshite... and coming from an auburn fan, that should me a lot.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:58 pm to tigerpimpbot
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I like how this dude called them out.
Although it seems strange because they didn't play, teams that were on their schedule played, so it's feasible that their schedule strength could change. Maybe it was politics that played a role in this case if Delaney truly dis intervene (although for a lower rating at that), but the fact that they didn't play is not necessarily enough itself.
That said, I would much prefer they kept a method similar to the BCS with the computer ratings.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:21 pm to buckeye_vol
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Although it seems strange because they didn't play, teams that were on their schedule played, so it's feasible that their schedule strength could change. Maybe it was politics that played a role in this case if Delaney truly dis intervene (although for a lower rating at that), but the fact that they didn't play is not necessarily enough itself.
That said, I would much prefer they kept a method similar to the BCS with the computer ratings.
By the committee's own final rankings, Miss St has two Top25 wins and Mich St has none.
Why is so hard for some people to believe that they simply dropped Miss St a bit too much coming off a loss and realized the inconsistency when looking at the overall resumes in the final ranking?
About FSU, TCU, Ohio St and Baylor: they should have just pissed off everyone and had them all bunched up in a tie for third the penultimate week since their saying that margin between them was "razor thin" seems so unclear to so many people.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:57 pm to RedMustang
Politics involved?
No way
I once saw a team WIN by 52 points on the final weekend and drop from #3 overall to #6.
No way
I once saw a team WIN by 52 points on the final weekend and drop from #3 overall to #6.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:45 am to UnoMe
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Politics involved? No way I once saw a team WIN by 52 points on the final weekend and drop from #3 overall to #6.
Exactly. This is what Reusse had to say:
What did the committee want from the Horned Frogs — to have them haul piles of opponents’ limbs out of Amon Carter Stadium in wheelbarrows?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:06 am to UnoMe
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Politics involved?
No way
I once saw a team WIN by 52 points on the final weekend and drop from #3 overall to #6.
I argued in recent threads that we don't know how good Michigan State and Wisconsin actually were with no quality wins of their own and UW and MSU just getting to 10 wins by beating crap Big 10 schools got Ohio State the quality wins needed.
At the same time, the committee made it clear that prior to their final rankings, conference championships and the Baylor/TCU head to head had yet to be factored. The committee had agreed upon guidelines to weigh conference ttitles. Considering FSU won their conference CG over a quality opponent, Ohio State was a conference champion, and the Big 12 itself didn't crown a sole champion and played one less game, I can see pretty clearly how TCU falls from #3 to #6, even after over a blowout over a crap team.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 7:06 am to wm72
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Why is so hard for some people to believe that they simply dropped Miss St a bit too much coming off a loss and realized the inconsistency when looking at the overall resumes in the final ranking?
Because of the amount of money involved.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 8:10 am to RedMustang
I'm sick of people not understanding that the way the CFP committee ranks teams is not how the AP/Coaches poll works. There is no such unwritten rule that you don't drop a team if it wins or that you must drop a team if it loses. Every week is a complete reevaluation of each team's record. When there is very little difference between #'s 3, 4, and 5, and you completely reevaluate things one week to the next, it is not shocking that that there can be changes in the order even if all teams win convincingly.
That is how ranking SHOULD be done. But instead of receiving recognition for bucking the old, stupid unwritten "rules" and using a more scientific approach, you get bonehead sportswriters and guys like Finebaum bashing you.
That is how ranking SHOULD be done. But instead of receiving recognition for bucking the old, stupid unwritten "rules" and using a more scientific approach, you get bonehead sportswriters and guys like Finebaum bashing you.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:48 am to Jon Ham
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m sick of people not understanding that the way the CFP committee ranks teams is not how the AP/Coaches poll works. There is no such unwritten rule that you don't drop a team if it wins or that you must drop a team if it loses. Every week is a complete reevaluation of each team's record. When there is very little difference between #'s 3, 4, and 5, and you completely reevaluate things one week to the next, it is not shocking that that there can be changes in the order even if all teams win convincingly.
That is how ranking SHOULD be done. But instead of receiving recognition for bucking the old, stupid "unwritten" rules and using a more scientific approach, you get bonehead sportswriters and guys like Finebaum bashing you.
Exactly.
In the past, seemingly everyone criticized the AP and Coaches Polls for often completely missing the plot and cried out endlessly for change.
Now, since the committee doesn't work like the AP poll, the specific differences, the improvements, are usually what people pick out to criticize and without even giving the impression they understand the simple logic you outline.
Frustrating is right.
I will listen to any conspiracy theory specifically about Mich St/Miss St after the theorist can first explain why, by the committee's logic of placing value on quality wins, Michigan St should be ranked above Mississippi St.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:01 am to bags03
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the Big 12 itself didn't crown a sole champion and played one less game
The Big 12 played 9 conference games which is the same number the Big 10, SEC, and ACC champion played this season. So basically people are penalizing Baylor and TCU for not playing another FBS bottom feeder or FCS team. That is just stupid.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 11:07 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:13 am to Colonel Flagg
Actually, they're penalizing Baylor and TCU for playing too many bottom-feeders.
The worst teams in the Big Ten would be 4-5 at worst in Big 12 conference play.
Ohio State played one team out of conference with a losing record (Kent)
Both Baylor and TCU played FCS teams with losing records and 1-win SMU.
The worst teams in the Big Ten would be 4-5 at worst in Big 12 conference play.
Ohio State played one team out of conference with a losing record (Kent)
Both Baylor and TCU played FCS teams with losing records and 1-win SMU.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 11:15 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:20 am to RedMustang
I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand.
After Saturday night TCU's good wins had been hurt by:
Oklahoma losing
Kansas St. losing
OSU and Baylor helped themselves on the last day of the year with top 15 wins of their own
TCU's resume took huge hits while OSU and Baylor got helped. When Long said that 3-6 were close going into the last week, then he was saying that OSU and TCU were close BEFORE OSU beat the crap out of Wisconsin. If they were close before, then it's entirely possible for the move
After Saturday night TCU's good wins had been hurt by:
Oklahoma losing
Kansas St. losing
OSU and Baylor helped themselves on the last day of the year with top 15 wins of their own
TCU's resume took huge hits while OSU and Baylor got helped. When Long said that 3-6 were close going into the last week, then he was saying that OSU and TCU were close BEFORE OSU beat the crap out of Wisconsin. If they were close before, then it's entirely possible for the move
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:37 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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The worst teams in the Big Ten would be 4-5 at worst in Big 12 conference play.
Purdue would not beat anybody except Kansas and Iowa State.
And TCU had a better win against Minnesota than Ohio State did.
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Both Baylor and TCU played FCS teams with losing records and 1-win SMU.
SMU could not be anticipated. They went to bowl games from 2008-2012, finished first in their C-USA division twice, and had a nationally respected coach in June Jones. That was a total left-field meltdown.
Samford and Northwestern State, I give you. But Kent State was hot garbage too.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:40 am to Buckeye06
According to Dan Patrick & then Gary Danielson, on 2 separate occasions, who got on the committee in the first place was one of the biggest political scrambles ever. The list of "applicants" was in the 50's. So: why, exactly, would anyone want to be on this committee? It is a non paying position requiring wkly traveling for several mths. And the committee was bound to stir up a lot of controversy, meaning headaches for its members.Perhaps each had his/her own agenda? Again, we are talking politics here, so nothing should be assumed about anything, i.e. they were all doing it for the greater good of college football.
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