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re: ESPN's 2016-17 NBA Western Conference predictions. What are your predictions?
Posted on 7/26/16 at 8:41 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
Posted on 7/26/16 at 8:41 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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i think they will be close to the 8 spot and have some important games down the stretch, which will be really fun.
Agreed. I'll be pulling for 'em to make the playoff field if they're close.
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 8:43 pm to PrimeTime Money
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1. Golden State
2. San Antonio
3. L.A. Clippers
4. Memphis
5. Houston
6. Portland
7. Oklahoma City
8. Utah
Houston at 5? Yea, I'd bet against that.
THey'll be fighting for that 7th and 8th seed. They won't be very good.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 9:00 pm to PrimeTime Money
Minnesota with thibs and adding kris Dunn is better than okc
Posted on 7/26/16 at 9:01 pm to CocoLoco
quote:Their offense is going to be really good. Top 5 in my opinion.
Houston at 5? Yea, I'd bet against that. THey'll be fighting for that 7th and 8th seed. They won't be very good.
If you look through the years, if a team has a top 5 offense, they have a good regular season record even if their defense isn't great.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 9:28 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Their offense is going to be really good. Top 5 in my opinion.
If you look through the years, if a team has a top 5 offense, they have a good regular season record even if their defense isn't great.
their offense is going to be a more efficient harden, but that is pretty much about it. They were 7th last year, but 21st on defense. They could legitimately jump up to the top 5 in ORTG, but that defense is going to take a hit with two net negatives playing 30+MPG.
Ryno and EG will give Harden more space, but Ryno is a black hole on offense as he RARELY passes after he gets the ball. EG on the other hand, he can play within a system and be a good role player as long as he stays healthy.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 9:30 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Even if he's inefficient, Wiggins is still a really good player, especially for his age.
You don't need a team of stars or all star caliber players to win 50. They may win 47, I just threw 50 out there. Fact is, they'll be a good defensive team with some talented players yet. I'm a big Thibs guy even if he road his players hard. He did what he had to to get Chicago into the playoffs. His team this season will have a better 1-2 punch than he did in Chicago. The only thing working against him is that he's now in the West.
As Ron has said, KAT is going to be 1st team all NBA next season. I can see 25/12 out of KAT. He's the best big in the NBA. That's no slight to AD, this is like KG and Tim Duncan coming up at the same time.
You don't need a team of stars or all star caliber players to win 50. They may win 47, I just threw 50 out there. Fact is, they'll be a good defensive team with some talented players yet. I'm a big Thibs guy even if he road his players hard. He did what he had to to get Chicago into the playoffs. His team this season will have a better 1-2 punch than he did in Chicago. The only thing working against him is that he's now in the West.
As Ron has said, KAT is going to be 1st team all NBA next season. I can see 25/12 out of KAT. He's the best big in the NBA. That's no slight to AD, this is like KG and Tim Duncan coming up at the same time.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 9:32 pm to htran90
They're going to be like the Saints last year. Great offensive numbers that you wonder where some of it came from (garbage yards or forgettable shootouts) and then a league worst defense that pretty much offsets how effective the offense will be.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 9:36 pm to PrimeTime Money
By regular season record
1. Golden State
2. San Antonio
3. Memphis
4. LAC
5. Portland
6. Utah
7. OKC
8. Houston
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9. Dallas
10. New Orleans
11. Minnesota
12. Denver
13. Sacramento
14. Phoenix
15. LAL
1. Golden State
2. San Antonio
3. Memphis
4. LAC
5. Portland
6. Utah
7. OKC
8. Houston
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9. Dallas
10. New Orleans
11. Minnesota
12. Denver
13. Sacramento
14. Phoenix
15. LAL
Posted on 7/26/16 at 9:39 pm to CocoLoco
The difference between the 5 and 8 seed last year was 3 games. And considering the 8 (cc) had as bad a season as anyone could have imagined and the 5 (PDX) had as good as season as anyone could imagine, well safe to say it wouldn't be a stretch at all for CC to make up those 3 games would it? CC wil be a top 4 seed this year.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 9:53 pm to Boomshockalocka
You do realize Portand was this close *holds up two fingers with about a few centimeters between them* from tanking at one point right? They were like 12-20 by Christmas and even played a few games after Christmas with Lillard and McCollum out. They didn't limp around all season like Houston. "When the games mattered" Portland kicked it up a notch. Can't say the same for Houston. Utah's youth showed more than Houston "won" the 8 seed.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 7/26/16 at 9:59 pm to theducks
HOU was a top 8 defense from mar 1 on...
Harden was the first player ever in NBA HISTORY to post a month with 450/150/100 in a month in April....
And yet CC didn't bring it late in the season ...lol:
Newsflash. Damn near Any team In the NBA would've beaten the clips in a series with no Paul or Griffin. Portland is not a top 4 seed. first round loser.
Listening to 3-4 diff podcasts today I didn't hear one positive opinion of Portland off season. They all basically mirrored what I posted the last couple days.
Harden was the first player ever in NBA HISTORY to post a month with 450/150/100 in a month in April....
And yet CC didn't bring it late in the season ...lol:
Newsflash. Damn near Any team In the NBA would've beaten the clips in a series with no Paul or Griffin. Portland is not a top 4 seed. first round loser.
Listening to 3-4 diff podcasts today I didn't hear one positive opinion of Portland off season. They all basically mirrored what I posted the last couple days.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 7/26/16 at 9:59 pm to Boomshockalocka
Hate to bash them they are my second western conf team but you are out of control 
Posted on 7/26/16 at 10:08 pm to Boomshockalocka
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HOU was a top 8 defense from mar 1 on...
I feel like this is quotable because you've gone entire threads referring to HOU as CC, never calling Houston "Houston" or "HOU" yet you slipped up here
just thought it was funny quote:
Harden was the first player ever to
post a month with 450/150/100 in a month in April
What was their record in April? Like .500 right? We're not talking personal stats just btw.
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Newsflash. Damn near Any team In the NBA would've beaten the clips in a series with no Paul or Griffin. Portland is not a top 4 seed. first round loser.
Do you have proof? Once again this irrelevant and a hypothetical. Sorry their guys got hurt I guess?
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Listening to 3-4 diff podcasts today I didn't hear one positive opinion of Portland off season. They all basically mirrored what I posted the last couple days.
What does this have to do with Houston limping around all season? Deflect deflect deflect. And once again, Portland finishes above Houston. Just like they did after their "shitty" offseason last season. Wasn't Houston offseason champions last year?
Posted on 7/26/16 at 10:14 pm to theducks
HOU and CC are synonyms. Whether I use one or the other who cares?
Well you can't say they didn't bring it when they are top 75% of the league defensively and the best player has a month unlike any the league has seen before. Record? Who knows. They didn't really have a good roster last year.
LAC won first two games by 20. Blowouts. No one who follows NBA outside of PDX will say that PDX were gonna win that series. that's silly. I know you're a fan and will take up for your team. But come on man. It's like me saying CC would have beat GSW 2 years ago if motiejunas and Beverly werent hurt. Silly I'm sure you would agree.
Portland has a nice squad but they are right at the luxury tax and they have no chance to contend ffor the time being. Puzzling and a bit upsetting tbh.
Well you can't say they didn't bring it when they are top 75% of the league defensively and the best player has a month unlike any the league has seen before. Record? Who knows. They didn't really have a good roster last year.
LAC won first two games by 20. Blowouts. No one who follows NBA outside of PDX will say that PDX were gonna win that series.
that's silly. I know you're a fan and will take up for your team. But come on man. It's like me saying CC would have beat GSW 2 years ago if motiejunas and Beverly werent hurt. Silly I'm sure you would agree. Portland has a nice squad but they are right at the luxury tax and they have no chance to contend ffor the time being. Puzzling and a bit upsetting tbh.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 10:15 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Harden is about to be in the same system so his numbers will blow Nash's out the water next season. Never mind he is already better than Nash at his best now without a plethora of 3pont shooters surrounding him.
Nash was never concerned about stats...not sure about that with Harden.
Nash simply has a higher basketball IQ than James. It's all on tape, you just need to watch more film.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 10:15 pm to Boomshockalocka
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HOU was a top 8 defense from mar 1 on...
Posted on 7/26/16 at 10:15 pm to Boomshockalocka
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HOU and CC are synonyms
No, CC is Cleveland the greatest clutch performance of all time.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 10:16 pm to htran90
quote:Their defense sucked last year with Terrence Jones and Michael Beasley playing at PF and guys getting minutes off the bench like Marcus Thornton, Ty Lawson, and Jason Terry.
their offense is going to be a more efficient harden, but that is pretty much about it. They were 7th last year, but 21st on defense. They could legitimately jump up to the top 5 in ORTG, but that defense is going to take a hit with two net negatives playing 30+MPG. Ryno and EG will give Harden more space, but Ryno is a black hole on offense as he RARELY passes after he gets the ball. EG on the other hand, he can play within a system and be a good role player as long as he stays healthy.
Those guys were awful on defense and they had big-time chemistry problems which exacerbated everyone's lack of effort on D. Also, Capela was better than Dwight defensively last season. Dwight sucked.
They finished 21st defensively.
They won't be any worse than that next season even with Anderson and Gordon. The players they are replacing sucked just as bad on D.
As for the offense... one of the Rockets' weaknesses the past several years is that they were just an average at best 3-point shooting team despite the fact that they took the most 3's in the league.
Anderson and Gordon are both capable of shooting 40% from 3. Beverley shot 40% from 3 last season. Ariza shot 37% and Harden shoots 37%. Harden is going to demand so much attention that those guys are going to get a ton of open looks and they can knock them down unlike guys like Terrence Jones and Ty Lawson.
D'Antoni's offense also has more structure than McHale, and that's something the Rockets definitely needed.
The whole offense will be more efficient and will put up a ton of points.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 10:19 pm to RonBurgundy
LINK hate to break it to you but Houston will always be clutch city. It's a done deal.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 10:21 pm to RonBurgundy
Eye test tells me harden was better. The advanced stats affirm in numbers what I see with my eyes.
Eye test favors harden
Advanced Stats favors harden.
That's a wrap. ///
Eye test favors harden
Advanced Stats favors harden.
That's a wrap. ///
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 10:22 pm
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