re: Charles Oakley thinks EVERYTHING WAS BETTER BACK IN HIS DAY!!!

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James - cavs
Durant - durant
Bryant - Lakers
Dirk - mavs
Duncan - spurs
Wade -heat

This is what u had in... 97

Jordan - bulls
Pippen - bulls
Stockon - jazz
Malone- jazz
Shaq - Lakers
Mutumbo - hawks
Hill - pistons
Barkley - rockets
Drexler- rockets
Hakeem - rockets
Miller - pacers
Morning- heat
Ewing -pkayers
Duncan - spurs
Robinson- spurs
Payton - sonics

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Yeh, Chris Paul, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Paul George, Anthony Davis and Steph Curry won't be hall of famers

What justification do you have for having a rookie Tim Duncan on your list but not a 3rd year Anthony Davis who was just worlds better?

This list is just retarded and means nothing. Even if it weren't for your glaring absences of lock hall of famers like CP3 and inconsistency in listing a whole spectrum of ages in the 97 list vs only veterans in the 2013 list, the list is pointless. What does this have to do with level of play?

Demarcus Cousins and Lamarcus Aldridge are both better than Alonzo Mourning. There are at least 5 point guards in todays game as good or better than Gary Payton.

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Yeh, Chris Paul, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Paul George, Anthony Davis and Steph Curry won't be hall of famers

What justification do you have for having a rookie Tim Duncan on your list but not a 3rd year Anthony Davis who was just worlds better?

This list is just retarded and means nothing. Even if it weren't for your glaring absences of lock hall of famers like CP3 and inconsistency in listing a whole spectrum of ages in the 97 list vs only veterans in the 2013 list, the list is pointless. What does this have to do with level of play?

Demarcus Cousins and Lamarcus Aldridge are both better than Alonzo Mourning. There are at least 5 point guards in todays game as good or better than Gary Payton.

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The league is in excellent shape this year. The ratings bear that out, and it's trending up. We're in a golden age of PG play in the NBA, and people like Oakley start running their mouths because people are actually excited for NBA basketball again and not looking to the past.

Oakley's just sticking up for his best friend, MJ, who's style of play was a horrible influence on the generation of players that emulated him. MJ popularized hero ball. MJ got away with his style of play because of his incredible talent, but it was hardly team basketball. Same with Roy Jones Jr. in boxing. Their pure talent masked a lot of things that they were doing that was not in the best interests of fundamental sports. When less talented athletes try to emulate them, it doesn't work out.

Oakley wasn't saying a thing in 05 and 06 when the league was garbage. That league was garbage because of the hero ball style of play that his generation popularized. League is just now getting back to team basketball, thanks to Lebron, Durant, Paul, who aren't playing that MJ style of ball that stunted the careers of a lot of players in the mid-2000s.

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I love watching basketball from the 80s and 90s on ESPN Classic or youtube, but look at things like the triangle that worked back then. The triangle is one of the worst offensive schemes in all of the NBA right now because of the advanced minds and defenses to stop it.

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The triangle never worked unless the best player in the NBA was on the team. I mean, it wasn't the system beating people, it was Jordan and then Shaq. I mean, who else ran the triangle successfully?

No Paul, Westbrook, Pierce or Parker

That's a good one. You need a timeout from this thread, it's for your own good.

While I think that the idea that the motion offense, a scheme dating back to Henry Iba, is some sort of new-fangled innovation that would flummox players from a generation ago, let's be honest about how deep the NBA is right now. If the playoffs started today, OKC would miss it.

And OKC has Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka. I mean, I know Durant's hurt, but Jesus. That's a pretty talented squad that's fighting for its playoff life. That speaks to the depth of the NBA (out West, at least).

You listed Hill but you're questioning Pierce

Pierce's numbers are somewhat comparable to 'Nique with the added benefit of a championship/Finals MVP to his name. He's definitely a HOF.

No way CP3 doesn't make it. Finished top 3 for MVP twice, all-NBA first team 4 times and counting. Only thing he's lacking is a deep playoff run. Paul's on pace for career numbers matched by very few players ever. He's definitely better than Payton.

Parker is somewhat questionable but it is the basketball HOF (not NBA) so he'll likely get in based on his international accomplishments in addition to NBA. Same for Ginobili.

Melo, Bosh, Curry, Westbrook, Davis are all HOF-level players.

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They aren't fricking hall of famers lol. I don't know what there is to debate about it. Pierce is a career long chucker who didn't get a championship until he got KG.

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According to the HOF probability on Basketball Reference, 99.8% chance Pierce gets in, 99.9% chance Paul gets in, 93% chance Parker gets in.

Like I said, take a break from this thread, it's not going well for you right now.

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Yeh, I think you are underestimating how easy it is to get in. Its not a MLB level barrier of entry.

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Well if his career ended today and he got in, he would be the least accomplished inductee

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I think some of you are really underestimating how hard it is to be an NBA hall of famer,

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It's the basketball hall of fame, not NBA. So Melo, Westbrook, Paul, Pierce etc will have their college careers factored in as well.