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re: Cavs offer Billups 5yr Deal
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:35 am to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:35 am to Bunk Moreland
It's pretty unprecedented to hire a GM with no organization experience.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:36 am to idlewatcher
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Analytics play a far larger role in player personnel than someone who has actually played the game. You think NFL scouts aren't qualified to seek out the best players because they werent All Pro? You sound bitter AF
Well ok. No one here really knows the depth of Billups' basketball acumen. For all anyone here knows he could have a profound understanding of advanced metrics and how to apply them to player personnel decisions.
Having said that, there is something to be said for the special insight a former player brings to the front office. But I agree that it's only a part of what could make a great GM.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 8:38 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:38 am to floridatigah
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It's pretty unprecedented to hire a GM with no organization experience.
Steve Kerr in Phoenix, John Lynch recently for San Francisco.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 8:39 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:40 am to PortCityTiger24
Kerr was a Suns consultant for years and lived in Phoenix, knew everybody in that organization. He also sucked, and was hired by a terrible owner like Gilbert.
Everybody keeps going to the Kerr comparison, who was hired 10 years ago. There's a better, more recent one
Everybody keeps going to the Kerr comparison, who was hired 10 years ago. There's a better, more recent one
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 8:46 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:43 am to PortCityTiger24
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Steve Kerr
I knew graduated college and is considered a smart guy so I went to see in what
quote:
Kerr graduated from the University of Arizona in 1988 with a Bachelor of General Studies, with emphasis on history, sociology and English.[13][14]
I got a shot
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:46 am to sealawyer
quote:Lebron wanted the white GM, nice try though.
Jesus, Not only is Lebron an idiot for wanting the black GM he thinks will be the easiest to push around
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:50 am to Goldrush25
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Well ok. No one here really knows the depth of Billups' basketball acumen. For all anyone here knows he could have a profound understanding of advanced metrics and how to apply them to player personnel decisions
Even then there is virtually no way he has deep knowledge of how salary cap works, how to sign players effectively while over the cap, how to manage expenses of other staff, ect., ect. I have high level business education and experience and I would need training and to work in an orginization to obtain the proper knowledge to run something like an NBA franchise effectively.
This is like hiring someone straight out of school to be the CFO of a company. It doesn't matter if they went to Harvard, they still don't know how to run an entire organization.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:53 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Even then there is virtually no way he has deep knowledge of how salary cap works, how to sign players effectively while over the cap, how to manage expenses of other staff, ect., ect. I have high level business education and experience and I would need training and to work in an orginization to obtain the proper knowledge to run something like an NBA franchise effectively
This is what a capologist is for.
I would bet anything that Jerry West isn't managing the cap himself either.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 8:58 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:56 am to StrongSafety
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He's more qualified then some shuck that could never play the game.
I don't know why people think some shucks that couldn't hack as players have more clout then the free rare men on this earth that were actually good enough to play
Being a GM is more about business and analytics, than it is about having previous basketball experience.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:57 am to StrongSafety
MJ has done great at evaluating talent...
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:01 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Most teams have a cap guru to do that for you.
Even then there is virtually no way he has deep knowledge of how salary cap works, how to sign players effectively while over the cap
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:10 am to shel311
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Most teams have a cap guru to do that for you
So they pay Billups the most, but then they just feed him info? If that's the case hire him as lead talent evaluator and pay him a third of what he's getting now.
I'm not against former players being in front offices. They bring a perspective that only a few hundred or thousands in the world can as one of the best basketball players in the world, but to hire a guy with no management experience because he played is just dumb IMO. He's theoretically the most powerful person in the organization behind the owner, and he's never been involved in a front office before.
ETA: and I understand that not all GMs have the highest levels of understanding about the cap because of its complexity, but Billups is going to know less than any other GM in the league because he's NEVER been around it before sans his own contract negotiations as a player
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 9:12 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:15 am to Goldrush25
West isn't the GM, nobody would care if Billups was being hired to that role.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:21 am to Mingo Was His NameO
It's insane to argue that a GM doesn't need to have expert knowledge of the CBA, the Kings have plenty of cap experts I'm sure.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:28 am to floridatigah
The title ESPN is saying he was offered is president of basketball operations. Maybe he will hire a GM.
I think we're all assuming he's simply taking Griffin's spot but I don't know if that's the case at all.
I think we're all assuming he's simply taking Griffin's spot but I don't know if that's the case at all.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 9:30 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:29 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:1. You can't just snap your finger and have a guy magically take 1/3 pay.
So they pay Billups the most, but then they just feed him info? If that's the case hire him as lead talent evaluator and pay him a third of what he's getting now.
2. Billups works in conjunction with a cap guru to go over all relevant scenarios, then Billups makes final decisions on who to bring in as free agents, or he's the one working the phones to propose/agree/decline trades.
quote:He'd literally never make a decision without a full recap of all of the ramifications on all sides of the decision to be made.
ETA: and I understand that not all GMs have the highest levels of understanding about the cap because of its complexity, but Billups is going to know less than any other GM in the league because he's NEVER been around it before sans his own contract negotiations as a player
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:31 am to Goldrush25
That's even worse 
I think the Lakers were dumb for giving that to Magic but at least it's Magic
I think the Lakers were dumb for giving that to Magic but at least it's MagicPosted on 6/22/17 at 9:33 am to floridatigah
Yet you just said above no one would care if he weren't being hired as a GM.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:34 am to Goldrush25
Jerry West is a consultant, I said nobody would care if Billups was hired to that role
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:34 am to Goldrush25
quote:I'd argue it's more questionable to sign him as president of basketball operations than GM.
The title ESPN is saying he was offered is president of basketball operations.
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