- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Cavs offer Billups 5yr Deal
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:42 am to shel311
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:42 am to shel311
quote:
shel311
As always you're just being a contrarian and will concede nothing. Obviously, like upper management in any company, franchise, or industry he would be consulted by other people in the organization and would never make a decision completely on his own. The problem is he has NO experience in a front office. ZERO. The intern has more experience. If they hired his as a talent evaluator, then ok his reputation could get him that job, but to hand him the keys to the car, with again, ZERO experience working in a front office is stupid. I don't care about his reputation. If a guy goes to work everyday and works his tell off and has a good reputation that doesn't mean he has the prerequisite knowledge to run the organization.
If you want to argue that the experience doesn't matter then that's one thing, but you bring nothing to the table besides disagreeing with what everyone says.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 9:43 am
2
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:46 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Didn't Ainge have no front office experience?
The problem is he has NO experience in a front office. ZERO. The intern has more experience. If they hired his as a talent evaluator, then ok his reputation could get him that job, but to hand him the keys to the car, with again, ZERO experience working in a front office is stupid
And also, go play in traffic.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:51 am to shel311
I'm fairly certain Joe Dumars didn't either.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:51 am to philabuck
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:51 am to shel311
quote:
Didn't Ainge have no front office experience
He was a head coach before becoming a GM and I probably wouldn't have liked that hire either. Just because something isn't smart doesn't mean it can't work out, it just means it's more risky and has less of a success rate.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:52 am to brgfather129
quote:Now you're just being a contrarian!
I'm fairly certain Joe Dumars didn't either.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:54 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:
The problem is he has NO experience in a front office. ZERO. The intern has more experience. If they hired his as a talent evaluator, then ok his reputation could get him that job, but to hand him the keys to the car, with again, ZERO experience working in a front office is stupid. I don't care about his reputation. If a guy goes to work everyday and works his tell off and has a good reputation that doesn't mean he has the prerequisite knowledge to run the organization
This argument is a good idea, but put it into practice. What hot shot executive is available right now? Chances are you'll never get a great one because they never leave their teams.
So you're either hiring a retread that's already been canned at least once for the sake of his experience, or you're taking a bigger chance on someone inexperienced that you believe may have a higher ceiling for success but may also be a disaster. It's a risk.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:00 am to Goldrush25
Bob Myers, Golden State GM, hired with zero front office experience.
Yes he was an agent and had contract negotiation experience, but he had no experience with the talent evaluation side of things.
Seems to have worked out fine with Bob Myers as the GM of Golden State.
The list of GMs hired who didn't check off every box in terms of experience to do all the things a GM does is probably the majority of GMs.
Yes he was an agent and had contract negotiation experience, but he had no experience with the talent evaluation side of things.
Seems to have worked out fine with Bob Myers as the GM of Golden State.
The list of GMs hired who didn't check off every box in terms of experience to do all the things a GM does is probably the majority of GMs.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:02 am to Goldrush25
quote:
This argument is a good idea, but put it into practice. What hot shot executive is available right now? Chances are you'll never get a great one because they never leave their teams.
Or keep the guy you had that has proven to be competent. I know he wanted a lot of money, but I would think there was a deal to be made. If not then so be it. If you are really high on Billips and he's the end goal then hire him as a VP of basketball operations and let him learn. There's a guy out there that's competent enough to bridge the gap especially during the LeBron era where success in this Eastern Conference is essentially guranteed.
Billips may be a good GM, none of know for sure right now, but he's really riky. What if LeBron leaves after next season for LA? You now have no talend and a GM with no experience. That could set the franchise back a decade.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:06 am to shel311
quote:
Bob Myers, Golden State GM, hired with zero front office experience.
Yes he was an agent and had contract negotiation experience, but he had no experience with the talent evaluation side of things
So he had experience working with front offices just from the other side. He was familiar with how the CBA and cap operated to get his players the best deals he could.
Billups sat behind a desk and gave hot takes.
quote:
The list of GMs hired who didn't check off every box in terms of experience to do all the things a GM does is probably the majority of GMs
No shite. no candidate for any job anywhere is a perfect candidate, but I they at least have some experience and prerequisite skills/knowledge.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:09 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:
That could set the franchise back a decade.
these are sports owners you're talking about. they do things that range from risky to "WTF that's stupid" all the time.
and I'm cool with them being set back for a while. they got Lebron twice, and 3 #1 overall picks in between. go back to being cursed Cleveland, dammit.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:09 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I personally just don't think its wise to hire a GM with zero experience for the CAVS and the situation they are in right now.
I think that would be fine for a team with assets looking to build towards the future.
I think that would be fine for a team with assets looking to build towards the future.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:14 am to ATLTiger
quote:
and I'm cool with them being set back for a while. they got Lebron twice, and 3 #1 overall picks in between. go back to being cursed Cleveland, dammit.
Agreed here. I don't like the Cavs or LeBron, but I'm just talking about the decision they made as if it were me (and I can look at situations without bias and analyze them). I think it's hilarious what they did. Without LeBron they are probably the worst sports franchise in the all of pro sports. Maybe even worse than the browns. When LeBron retires I honestly don't know if they'll have a winning season again with Gilbert as the owner.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:15 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Right.
So he had experience working with front offices just from the other side. He was familiar with how the CBA and cap operated to get his players the best deals he could.
Billups sat behind a desk and gave hot takes.
1 guy has zero cap experience, the other has zero talent evaluation experience.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:18 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Seems like they have less tough decisions to make, no?
I personally just don't think its wise to hire a GM with zero experience for the CAVS and the situation they are in right now.
I think that would be fine for a team with assets looking to build towards the future.
Obviously trading Love or trying to get Butler or whoever is a massive decision. But I mean, they don't have noteworthy draft picks or assets to be making basically any moves at the moment, so I'd wonder if it's slightly easier coming into this role then, say, going to the Lakers or 76ers.
Granted, if LeBron leaves, all bets are off there.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:20 am to shel311
quote:
Bob Myers, Golden State GM, hired with zero front office experience.
Yes he was an agent and had contract negotiation experience
Agents have a ton of 'front office' experience, just from the other side. Agents need to know the CBA, which is the foundation of the job of GM.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:21 am to shel311
quote:
1 guy has zero cap experience, the other has zero talent evaluation experience.
How does Billups have talent evaluation experience? Because he played?
ETA: talent evaluation has moved more toward analytics and less toward 'the eye test' lately.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 10:23 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:27 am to shel311
quote:
Right.
1 guy has zero cap experience, the other has zero talent evaluation experience
There's a huge difference between those two things, but you know that. And Billups technically doesn't have any talejt evaluation experience, but that doesn't mean he's not good at it. A lot more people can evaluate talent then understand the complexities of a multi billion dollar business.
Talent evaluation, I would argue, is one a GMs easiest jobs.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:28 am to shel311
quote:
I'd argue it's more questionable to sign him as president of basketball operations than GM.
I would too. wonder who he's looking at for his GM. Joe Dumars?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:19 pm to ATLTiger
Myers wasn't just an agent. He was VP of a sports agency and was originally hired as an assistant GM by the warriors
Completely different than just being a TV personality
BTW Myers may not have played in the NBA but he played college ball and won an ncaa title at ucla.
Completely different than just being a TV personality
BTW Myers may not have played in the NBA but he played college ball and won an ncaa title at ucla.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 2:23 pm
Page 4 of 5
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News