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re: Big Ten Expanding Eastward?
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:51 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:51 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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They got rid of the contiguous rule?
It's not a rule, it's a guideline.
As is the AAU being a guideline. Nebraska is no longer in the AAU.
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Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:56 am to KosmoCramer
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It's not a rule, it's a guideline.
As is the AAU being a guideline. Nebraska is no longer in the AAU
Exactly. It's not essential, but it is highly regarded. Northwestern isnt a AAU member as well, though their standards are elite level, so in their case its overlooked. UVA could be interesting.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 8:58 am to Buckeye Backer
UVA, UNC and Ga Tech are all high priorities IMO.
UVA and UNC being the most prized and likely to join. By likely, I mean not very likely but possible.
UVA and UNC being the most prized and likely to join. By likely, I mean not very likely but possible.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:05 am to KosmoCramer
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UVA and UNC being the most prized and likely to join. By likely, I mean not very likely but possible
I understand the intrigue by Delaney on this, but he wouldnt be able to get UNC without Duke. Aint happening. I could see a UVA/UConn addition though!
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:09 am to taylork37
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Adding Rutgers, Maryland, Kansas and UConn would make football even more pathetic.
bc teams 13-16 make such a difference...
the SEC could add Tulane, ULL, ULM, and Tech and they'd still be the SEC
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:12 am to Buckeye Backer
Duke is private, UNC is public.
There is nothing really to say that they won't be able to get UNC. They fit really well with the Big Ten, they have a great medical school on par with others B1G schools, great academics, a full arsenal of non-revenue producing sports, etc.
I could see UNC doing it for the good of the university if they see schools like UVA joining the B1G.
It's certainly a stretch, but UVA is even more of a stretch being a state school in the same conference, they would have more pull than a Duke would proportionally.
There is nothing really to say that they won't be able to get UNC. They fit really well with the Big Ten, they have a great medical school on par with others B1G schools, great academics, a full arsenal of non-revenue producing sports, etc.
I could see UNC doing it for the good of the university if they see schools like UVA joining the B1G.
It's certainly a stretch, but UVA is even more of a stretch being a state school in the same conference, they would have more pull than a Duke would proportionally.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:14 am to chalmetteowl
Im telling you, we have not seen the end of conference expansion. We will end up with 4 conferences of 16 teams so we can have a big division of 64 universities. Once that is in place, these conferences will form their own division with rules and regulations fit for 2014. That is the goal. To get out from the NCAA vice grip. It's just a process. There will ultimately be 10-15 universities that get the shaft, but thats America. The non AQ schools are destined for either their own division or FCS status. Thats my theory and im sticking to it. lol
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:14 am to Buckeye Backer
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Northwestern isnt a AAU member as well
the hell they aren't
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:15 am to Quidam65
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They once did but no longer.
They still do even w/ Rutgers and MD.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:17 am to Buckeye Backer
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We will end up with 4 conferences of 16 teams so we can have a big division of 64 universities
I highly doubt that, there are just too many schools to put into a league of 64 teams. Right now the big 5 conferences have 64 teams but that doesn't include Notre Dame or BYU. Plus what do you do with Cincy or Uconn? Can't leave them out also.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:19 am to KosmoCramer
Also to answer to those (ahem Rocket31) saying that Cable is dying and it will become a la carte in the not so distant future:
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B) The Big Ten Network would probably be even more popular in that case. There are clauses in the network deals with ABC/ESPN etc. that state a certain number of games must be on the B1G network.
If they start putting one or two really high profile games on that network if cable TV really had desintigrated, a whole lot of people would pick up that B1G. It's actually a pretty damn decent channel, and a lot of B1G basketball games are on there right now as is.
They perhaps would make even more money than they do now.
And the TV deals are from ESPN/ABC among others will still be paid based on the number of TV sets the viewers will have.
Of course the strong arming of whole markets to get the B1G Network would end if cable died, but they would be able to get MUCH more per person if the individuals had to subscribe to get the content.
A)
B) The Big Ten Network would probably be even more popular in that case. There are clauses in the network deals with ABC/ESPN etc. that state a certain number of games must be on the B1G network.
If they start putting one or two really high profile games on that network if cable TV really had desintigrated, a whole lot of people would pick up that B1G. It's actually a pretty damn decent channel, and a lot of B1G basketball games are on there right now as is.
They perhaps would make even more money than they do now.
And the TV deals are from ESPN/ABC among others will still be paid based on the number of TV sets the viewers will have.
Of course the strong arming of whole markets to get the B1G Network would end if cable died, but they would be able to get MUCH more per person if the individuals had to subscribe to get the content.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:19 am to Buckeye Backer
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Northwestern isnt a AAU member as well
???
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:19 am to Sevendust912
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the hell they aren't
My mistake, i didnt word that right. I realize they are a member as a private school. I was thinking in terms of public universities.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:21 am to Sevendust912
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They still do even w/ Rutgers and MD.
Delany has basically said that they would skip a state to get someone like UNC or Georgia Tech.
It's not some sort of league by-law, it's just a guideline.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:22 am to KosmoCramer
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Delany has basically said that they would skip a state to get someone like UNC or Georgia Tech.
It's not some sort of league by-law, it's just a guideline.
Gotcha. I thought the other guy was saying the B1G was already non-contiguous.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:25 am to Bama Bird
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Where would the Big Ten even go if they were to improve football quality? Oklahoma? Texas? The options are limited and unrealistic.
As a WVU fan the Big 10 would be the conference I would prefer to join even though it will never happen.
They would be able to compete in football, unlike the Big 12 or SEC, join a solid basketball league, an elite academic league, and continue to play rivals like PSU, MD, and Rutgers.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 9:26 am
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:25 am to Sevendust912
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Right now the big 5 conferences have 64 teams but that doesn't include Notre Dame or BYU. Plus what do you do with Cincy or Uconn? Can't leave them out also.
Yes and in the process of reorganization/reallignment for these conferences to get to 4 conferences, ultimately somebody is getting left out, which is why this whole thread was started about UConn and the B1G. These 10-15 schools on the chopping block need to position themselves for the next round of expansion. Will schools like UConn be proactive? I think they need to be. The Texas schools and the AAC need to be very watchfull of this.
This post was edited on 5/7/14 at 9:27 am
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:27 am to Buckeye Backer
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Yes and in the process of reorganization/reallignment for these conferences, ultimately somebody is getting left out,
I'm no lawyer, but I would imagine any big 5 school being left out of a 64 team realignment would cause huge legal issues. I just can't see it happening. I assume you are talking about schools like Washington St. Wake Forest, TCU, etc.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:34 am to Sevendust912
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I'm no lawyer, but I would imagine any big 5 school being left out of a 64 team realignment would cause huge legal issues. I just can't see it happening. I assume you are talking about schools like Washington St. Wake Forest, TCU, etc.
In what way? If these 64 universities form their own governing body outside of the NCAA, what could those schools left out do about it? I think that is the goal. No im talking about schools from the B12 and the AAC. Once this is all said and done, the 4 conferences will be the B1G, PAC 16, ACC and SEC.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 9:39 am to Buckeye Backer
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In what way? If these 64 universities form their own governing body outside of the NCAA, what could those schools left out do about it? I think that is the goal. No im talking about schools from the B12 and the AAC. Once this is all said and done, the 4 conferences will be the B1G, PAC 16, ACC and SEC.
So who from the Big 12 do you leave out?
WVU - hard to see this happening, they have pretty solid football and basketball programs (even though both currently suck) and a relatively large fan base.
KSU - Maybe, but they would probably cling to Kansas
Iowa State - can't see this happening
Baylor - You don't want to frick with Baylor, can't see this happening.
So this leaves TCU. I guess it's possible, but I don't see this happening either.
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