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Posted on 7/30/16 at 7:19 am to WeeWee
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This is not about $$$ because the schools that control the process (i.e Texas and Oklahoma) are making almost as much as the other P5 schools. This about the Big12 being able to play a CCG so its champion is on equal footing has the other P5 conferences. The idea of playing a round-robin and then also playing a CCG is not a very good situation, so the Big12 will add 2 teams, play a CCG and carry on business as usual.
I tend to agree that they go with 2 for the reason you state. The only reason I could see them adding 4 would be to insulate and prepare themselves against further poaching. If OU and UT were to leave the conference would lose its P5 status anyways, but Kansas could be an expansion target of the B10 as well as WVU to the ACC. If they lost one or both of those, having already added 4 would keep the conference viable.
And while schools like Cinci and USF/UCF won't add much on day 1, there is a ton of potential there. Ohio is too big of a media market and too full of talent to only have one P5 school. USF or UCF could really become a major player with P5 status and money and be a huge money maker for the B12. If schools like that grow into respected programs over the next decade, the B12 may not look so weak in the future after all. I wouldn't like it as a UT or OU fan, but if they want to stay with this model of being big fish in a small pond, this might be their best bet. I really don't think UT wants to be in the SEC, Pac12, or B10 where other schools could threaten their self perceived dominance.
Posted on 7/30/16 at 7:38 am to Monticello
And for anyone who views BYU, Cinci, UCF, USF, Houston, CSU, or Memphis as garbage just take a look at the only 3 former mid major schools to be granted P5 status.
Louisville (former CUSA, Big East-for only 7 years, and AAC)
TCU (former WAC, CUSA, and MWC)
Utah (WAC then MWC)
Worked out pretty good for all the conferences that took a chance on them. Those schools all did major facility upgrades with the new money and grew into solid programs.
Again, not ideal, or what I would want as an OU or UT fan (I would want to leave the Big 12), but if those 2 schools are hell bent on making the Big 12 their permanent home, there is a lot of potential in all of those schools. And the Big12 has to get more markets to start a network and survive long term.
Louisville (former CUSA, Big East-for only 7 years, and AAC)
TCU (former WAC, CUSA, and MWC)
Utah (WAC then MWC)
Worked out pretty good for all the conferences that took a chance on them. Those schools all did major facility upgrades with the new money and grew into solid programs.
Again, not ideal, or what I would want as an OU or UT fan (I would want to leave the Big 12), but if those 2 schools are hell bent on making the Big 12 their permanent home, there is a lot of potential in all of those schools. And the Big12 has to get more markets to start a network and survive long term.
This post was edited on 7/30/16 at 7:46 am
Posted on 7/30/16 at 9:35 am to Monticello
People never seem to understand this. These teams are operating on 2 million dollars a year in tv revenue compared to 30 million power 5 schools get. You just can't judge them how they look now. You have to look 10 years down the road at what they can be.
Posted on 7/30/16 at 9:37 am to cardswinagain
Oh lord every year we do this. Aren't teams happy with where they are anymore
Posted on 7/30/16 at 1:04 pm to LG2BAMA
Who the hell do you think you are? I'm pretty sure it's against the law to use relevant information to try to make sense in a conference expansion thread.
Posted on 7/30/16 at 1:32 pm to Monticello
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And for anyone who views BYU, Cinci, UCF, USF, Houston, CSU, or Memphis as garbage just take a look at the only 3 former mid major schools to be granted P5 status.
Louisville (former CUSA, Big East-for only 7 years, and AAC)
TCU (former WAC, CUSA, and MWC)
Utah (WAC then MWC)
The difference between BYU, Cincy, USF, Houston, CSU, and Memphis vs Louisville, TCU, and Utah is that at the time that Louisville, Utah, and TCU got invited to a P5 conference all 3 were logical fits into those conference, and all 3 had been to a won a BCS bowl. Houston is the only one of the contenders that makes any sense in the Big12, but the Big12 already has 4 Texas teams do they really need or want another one?
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Again, not ideal, or what I would want as an OU or UT fan (I would want to leave the Big 12), but if those 2 schools are hell bent on making the Big 12 their permanent home, there is a lot of potential in all of those schools. And the Big12 has to get more markets to start a network and survive long term.
If UT and OU are hell bent on making the Big12 work then they need to add 4 teams and become the Big12 ( they already own the trademark for the Big 14) or really go all in and be the first 16 team superconference. Conference networks and internet streaming didn't exist when the WAC tried a 16 team conference back in the 90s, but they do now, and the Big12 has very little tradition left to ruin so they could pull if off. However, I do not think that OU or UT want the Big12 to survive long term I think they are just trying to make to 2024 when the GOR is up and UT can bolt to the Pac-12 and OU can join them or join the SEC (as an SEC fan I hope they join Tejas in the Pac-12).
Posted on 7/30/16 at 1:38 pm to The Cool No 9
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Oh lord every year we do this.
The Big12 needs to get their shite together because they are the only ones still talking about it.
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Aren't teams happy with where they are anymore
The schools in the Pac12, Big10, SEC, and now that the ACCN is launching the schools in the ACC are happy. However, the Big12 schools are not and the schools in the AAC want to move up because sooner or later there is a going to be a P5 or P6 split and nobody wants to be left in the G4 or G4 when that happens.
Posted on 7/30/16 at 1:40 pm to Larry
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Right. Which 2 wouldn't be meh adds? Houston and BYU aren't meh to you?
no, they're not.
both are clearly above tulane and memphis.
byu would be a great add.
Posted on 7/30/16 at 1:41 pm to LG2BAMA
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People never seem to understand this. These teams are operating on 2 million dollars a year in tv revenue compared to 30 million power 5 schools get. You just can't judge them how they look now. You have to look 10 years down the road at what they can be.
very true.
Posted on 7/30/16 at 2:17 pm to LG2BAMA
I was shocked when Tulane got into the AAC but once the announcement was made I saw the presentation pack that Tulane sent in and that was basically a good part of it. Conferences are looking at tv, travel and recruiting additions.
Even our former incompetent A.D. Said that athletics isn't the be all end all when looking at the addition of schools.
Even our former incompetent A.D. Said that athletics isn't the be all end all when looking at the addition of schools.
Posted on 7/30/16 at 2:47 pm to dupergreenie
Despite RD's shortcomings, he did a great deal for Tulane to leave us in better shape and set the table for Troy Dannen IMO- He fought to keep us D1 and helped raise a ton of money for the on campus stadium. However, he was too much of a "nice guy" and there was no accountability in our athletic dept. Gave bad coaches extensions (Toledo and Conroy) and failed to connect with the fans or the community.
I have full confidence that Dannen will turn things around. He's going to give us the best chance at attaining Big XII membership, but even if we don't get there you can see we finally have some momentum.
I have full confidence that Dannen will turn things around. He's going to give us the best chance at attaining Big XII membership, but even if we don't get there you can see we finally have some momentum.
Posted on 7/30/16 at 3:10 pm to LG2BAMA
Exactly.
Put tom Herman in the power 5 at Houston and you have a great football addition.
Put tom Herman in the power 5 at Houston and you have a great football addition.
Posted on 7/30/16 at 9:56 pm to 1999
Posted on 8/1/16 at 11:13 am to TulaneFan
Posted on 8/1/16 at 11:37 am to 1999
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Put tom Herman in the power 5 at Houston and you have a great football addition.
Do you really believe Herman would stick around long term?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:18 pm to RLDSC FAN
They are paying Herman 3 million a year now in a non power 5 conference. Even if Herman leaves they have shown they are willing to pay up for a good coach.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:21 pm to Bob Sacamano
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ESPN and FOX Push Back
So... the mass media ridiculed the Big 12 (i.e. Texas) for not expanding.
The University of Oklahoma has threatened to bolt unless there was expansion.
The University of Texas thought expansion was a bad idea.
Then when the University of Texas gives in, the media starts the ridicule the other way (anti-expansion) and the TV networks don't want the expansion (what UT likely told the Oklahoma administration).
I'd like to stick my foot up David Boren's arse right now (he's the big-mouthed "wallflower" OU president), but he'd probably like that.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:42 pm to UNO
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Right. Which 2 wouldn't be meh adds? Houston and BYU aren't meh to you?
no, they're not.
both are clearly above tulane and memphis.
byu would be a great add.
UConn. Not a fit geographically, but brings a Top 30 tv market (Hartford/Springfield) that they absolutely own (unlike Cincinatti or Tulane) and have maybe the top basketball programs in the country, great Olympic sports, and a football team
Posted on 8/1/16 at 2:53 pm to texashorn
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So... the mass media ridiculed the Big 12 (i.e. Texas) for not expanding. The University of Oklahoma has threatened to bolt unless there was expansion. The University of Texas thought expansion was a bad idea. Then when the University of Texas gives in, the media starts the ridicule the other way (anti-expansion) and the TV networks don't want the expansion (what UT likely told the Oklahoma administration). I'd like to stick my foot up David Boren's arse right now (he's the big-mouthed "wallflower" OU president), but he'd probably like that.
Yeah I get it. Networks sound like whiny bitches and this is turning into a shite show. At this point I am betting on a blow up of the BIGF'up before expansion.
Bummed I was holding out hope that Tulane would get the invite.
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