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re: BCS Super Bowl: Falcons vs. Patriots...
Posted on 1/16/11 at 9:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/16/11 at 9:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
Meh. I just cannot imagine a system that would award NE some type of victory after getting their asses handed to them on their home field today would be preferable to a playoff system.
Are you advocating a BCS-type system for the NFL, or simply defending the BCS?
Are you advocating a BCS-type system for the NFL, or simply defending the BCS?
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Posted on 1/16/11 at 9:56 pm to DaGarun
quote:I'm trying to figure out slow's "perfect scenario" short of giving the Pats the Lombardi trophy at the end of this year's regular season.
Meh. I just cannot imagine a system that would award NE some type of victory after getting their asses handed to them on their home field today would be preferable to a playoff system.
Are you advocating a BCS-type system for the NFL, or simply defending the BCS?
Posted on 1/16/11 at 9:57 pm to BayouBengals03
even i can get behind a 4-team in CFB, even with my hardline anti-playoff stance
playoffs aren't bad, but giving entitlements to too many teams is bad
the 4-team playoff in CFB has little chance of occurring without another split in D1A
playoffs aren't bad, but giving entitlements to too many teams is bad
the 4-team playoff in CFB has little chance of occurring without another split in D1A
Posted on 1/16/11 at 9:59 pm to DaGarun
quote:
Meh. I just cannot imagine a system that would award NE some type of victory after getting their asses handed to them on their home field today would be preferable to a playoff system.
i think it's absurd to say a team like seattle "proved they belong" by winning 1 game, after having a losing record (in a shitty division)
quote:
Are you advocating a BCS-type system for the NFL
not really
the NFL has built its league around the playoffs, and with parity there are a lot of similar records and similar teams
but i will say teh NFL playoffs have too many teams, and awarding winners of divisions is stupid
This post was edited on 1/16/11 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 1/16/11 at 9:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Under that scenario this year, the 14-2 Pats could still have had to play (and potentially lost to) an 11-5 team.
even i can get behind a 4-team in CFB, even with my hardline anti-playoff stance
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:01 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
Under that scenario this year, the 14-2 Pats could still have had to play (and potentially lost to) an 11-5 team.
4 teams
pats
falcons
steelers
ravens
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Hopefully it happens some way. I just think with a two-team championship, although the right two teams may get in according to formula, there are too many uneven variables (mainly conference and schedule strength, home/away schedule) to be able to say that #2 is better than #3. Just let them play it off.
If you aren't in the top 4, tough luck.
If you aren't in the top 4, tough luck.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Okay, 12-4, bad. So, the one extra win is hugely determinative in who's "better"?
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:03 pm to BayouBengals03
4 wouldn't include too many unworthy teams...not enough to be disruptive (or teams who have decent resumes)
and with 4, you have 3 neutral-field games every year, and fans only have to travel to 2 games max
that eliminates the revenue gap between teams given another home game (or possibly 2 with a 16-team playoff)
the problem is how you slice up the mega money a playoff will make. it will break the back of CFB
and with 4, you have 3 neutral-field games every year, and fans only have to travel to 2 games max
that eliminates the revenue gap between teams given another home game (or possibly 2 with a 16-team playoff)
the problem is how you slice up the mega money a playoff will make. it will break the back of CFB
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:04 pm to Y.A. Tittle
it was more to ensure you weren't relying on conferences
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:That doesn't strike me as a huge hangup.
it was more to ensure you weren't relying on conferences
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's really too bad that football is too brutal for playoff series - the best format for determining a champion.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:08 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
That doesn't strike me as a huge hangup.
people fricking defended the living hell out of awarding divisional champs last week. it blew my mind
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:09 pm to cwill
quote:
It's really too bad that football is too brutal for playoff series - the best format for determining a champion.
yeah i discussed that in my articles on it
you rarely see major upsets in 7-game series in basketball. they happen, but they're rare
baseball is different b/c you can build a team for the playoffs with pitching choices
football is fricked b/c they can only play 1 game per week, so they have to rely on the underdog-creating 1-game series
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:While I think the NFL's created too many divisions, I see the valid logistical rationale for two conferences.
people fricking defended the living hell out of awarding divisional champs last week. it blew my mind
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yea the financial side would be tough.
I think it would be cool if we had a BCS "Final Four" hosted by a different venue each year. Two games one week, championship the next week. That way different cities could have a chance to host, even if they were outside of the BCS rotation (Fiesta, Sugar, Orange, Rose).
Obviously there would be some problems, like the field getting ripped up and filling/emptying the stadium between games. But, none the less, I think it would be an interesting proposal.
Once again, I'm not sure about the financial side.
ETA: Then stadiums like Texas Stadium, Georgia Dome, Lucas Oil, Ford Field, Reliant, etc. could all have a chance to host.
I think it would be cool if we had a BCS "Final Four" hosted by a different venue each year. Two games one week, championship the next week. That way different cities could have a chance to host, even if they were outside of the BCS rotation (Fiesta, Sugar, Orange, Rose).
Obviously there would be some problems, like the field getting ripped up and filling/emptying the stadium between games. But, none the less, I think it would be an interesting proposal.
Once again, I'm not sure about the financial side.
ETA: Then stadiums like Texas Stadium, Georgia Dome, Lucas Oil, Ford Field, Reliant, etc. could all have a chance to host.
This post was edited on 1/16/11 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:12 pm to cwill
quote:
It's really too bad that football is too brutal for playoff series - the best format for determining a champion.
True. But the sports that do use series, they let way too many teams (NBA, MLB) in. They play 162 and 82 games respectively but still let a shitload of teams in the playoffs.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:13 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:
Once again, I'm not sure about the financial side.
Im not sure how much different the financials would be from what we have now? It seems you are just taking 3 BCS games and making them playoff games.
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:16 pm to BayouBengals03
you always hear of senators and shite trying to frick up the system, but you never really hear college presidents push for it
i'm thoroughly convinced that the small schools understand they're fee riding off the producer schools, and if they push too hard to get into the big money, the big schools will create a new division, killing the smaller schools
playoffs would frick it all up because the member schools WOULD have to decide on how to split the money up. the BCS conferences alone would kill each other doing so, and i can only imagine the fallout of the BCS schools getting even more money (and creating a bigger gap) than the small schools
i'm thoroughly convinced that the small schools understand they're fee riding off the producer schools, and if they push too hard to get into the big money, the big schools will create a new division, killing the smaller schools
playoffs would frick it all up because the member schools WOULD have to decide on how to split the money up. the BCS conferences alone would kill each other doing so, and i can only imagine the fallout of the BCS schools getting even more money (and creating a bigger gap) than the small schools
Posted on 1/16/11 at 10:19 pm to blowmeauburn
quote:
It seems you are just taking 3 BCS games and making them playoff games.
the BCS money (which actually isn't that much money) is split by specific rules. each conference gets x dollars for their first team (with all 6 BCS conferences obviously getting an automatic shot at this first set), and you get x dollars for a 2nd team (no 3rd team allowed). non-BCS conferences get x dollars if a member school makes it
playoffs = bigger TV deal likely, which = more money to split
you don't have conference tie-ins with a 4-team playoff, and the conferences won't split money evenly
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