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re: Albert Belle on Mike Trout HOF talk: "I played 12 yrs & my stats are better than his"
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:33 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:33 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:
Don't insult my fricking intelligence
You are the only person on Tigerdroppings that thinks you are intelligent
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:36 pm to Lester Earl
You would know about being unintelligent.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:36 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:i bet lester at least understands WAR
You would know about being unintelligent.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:38 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
I might be dumb but I know ball
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:45 pm to Lester Earl
So do I.
I just look at it through more of an old school lens. Metrics have their place and are helpful and some are great indicators of how good a player is, I'm a big fan of OPS+ and OPS, but they are not the end-all-be-all like a lot of younger fans claim they are.
I just look at it through more of an old school lens. Metrics have their place and are helpful and some are great indicators of how good a player is, I'm a big fan of OPS+ and OPS, but they are not the end-all-be-all like a lot of younger fans claim they are.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:46 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:
So do I.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:57 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
If you know ball then you calibrate. You don’t have to be young lol
Posted on 2/2/24 at 1:58 pm to Lester Earl
I used to choose him on one of the MLB games on Sega for Home Run Derby.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:29 pm to theballguy
Which Indian has the best case for the HOF-
Albert, Manny, or Omar?
Albert, Manny, or Omar?
Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:34 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:
Which Indian has the best case for the HOF- Albert, Manny, or Omar?
I’d say easily Manny
Posted on 2/2/24 at 3:34 pm to OceanMan
quote:
So your best support is a completely subjective measure? And it’s funny how logically flawed so many are in this thread. This isn’t about which one is better, it’s about whether or not you believe Trout is a first ballot, and comparing his career to Belles to determine if he should be in at all. Belle has a great point based on his gross batting stats.
The Hall of Fame is about being the best in your era. A guy that makes 11/12 years as an All Star is dominating his era far more than a guy that makes 5/12. And gross numbers aren’t equal weighted bc they have to be judged in the era they played in.
Barry Bonds and Manny Ramirez are both way better than Belle and both not in the Hall.
For Belle to crap on Trout is just more black victimhood complex.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:34 pm to Smoke239
But there are other reasons those two are not in. Belle swears he was clean and actually has strongly supported keeping juicers out of Cooperstown.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:36 pm to Smoke239
Sandy Koufax is IMO the benchmark for someone getting into Cooperstown with a short career and peak. So you have to ask yourself is Belle’s peak equivalent to Koufax’s peak.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 4:39 pm to The Seaward
But Manny was stupid enough to juice after people started paying attention. I would let the juicers from the Wild West Era in. Not the people who juiced afterward.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 7:22 am to barbapapa
quote:
Mike Trout is the most overrated athlete in history. Better than Mantle, possible GOAT? Please
I agree if looking at from a small, well shaped box. He's the analytics' folks wet dream and their hero that proves all their gibberish is the "best" way to determine greatness. Next thing you know they'll be trying to convince us he's better than Bonds and Griffey. He ain't.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:29 am to lsufanva
The average Mike Trout season extrapolated over 162 games is .301 BA, .412 OBP, .582 SA, 120 runs scored, 34 doubles, 6 triples, 40 homers, 102 RBIs, 22 steals and 105 walks, all old-school stats. I’ve expressed my doubts that he has that inner “something” that the people you mentioned had, but we are not discussing Omar Moreno here.
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 8:30 am
Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:53 am to InkStainedWretch
quote:
extrapolated over 162 games
Found the issue
It takes Trout 10 seasons to play 162 games
Posted on 2/3/24 at 9:18 am to lsufanva
quote:
a small, well shaped box
What
Posted on 2/3/24 at 9:37 am to theunknownknight
Absolutely. That's a problem, even though I acknowledge the injuries he's had.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 10:29 am to Jack Ruby
It's not always or only about hard Stats. Nor WAR (doesn't tell the story either). Nor about "popularity" contests -- though IT DOES HELP, ALBERT, YOU DUMB PR*CK.
Stats that DO matter:
-- Clutch: Late & Close
-- Game on the Line
-- NON-Compiling Stats (HRs & RBIs don't matter much when your down 10-2 or your team is 25 games out of 1st Place)
-- OMB
Non-Stats that ALSO matter:
-- Leadership
-- Inspiring Teammates
-- Playing & running hard ALL the time
-- NOT hot-dogging it
-- NOT loping or dogging it
-- NOT being Clubhouse Poison
Mike Trout: Great skills, all the tools, great stats, good guy...Could be considered a "stat-padder"; Just doesn't seem to have fire in the belly or hunger to play on a winning team
Albert Belle: A one-man wrecking crew when he played. BUT Clubhouse Poison, ruined team chemistry, and was one-dimensional
Stats that DO matter:
-- Clutch: Late & Close
-- Game on the Line
-- NON-Compiling Stats (HRs & RBIs don't matter much when your down 10-2 or your team is 25 games out of 1st Place)
-- OMB
Non-Stats that ALSO matter:
-- Leadership
-- Inspiring Teammates
-- Playing & running hard ALL the time
-- NOT hot-dogging it
-- NOT loping or dogging it
-- NOT being Clubhouse Poison
Mike Trout: Great skills, all the tools, great stats, good guy...Could be considered a "stat-padder"; Just doesn't seem to have fire in the belly or hunger to play on a winning team
Albert Belle: A one-man wrecking crew when he played. BUT Clubhouse Poison, ruined team chemistry, and was one-dimensional
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