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Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:11 pm to
Posted by tigerpawl
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:11 pm to
Interesting comparison between the early days of the Eagle Ford and this relatively young TMS. Click on the chart to enlarge.

Eagle Ford Shale: The Early Days
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:34 pm to
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Light Sweet Crude!! Good stuff!!! I am confident, they will work the kinks out. It's there & they want it. It's just going to take time before they can turn the corner.


Devon's first TMS horizontal (Beech Grove) has posted production of 3,632 Bbls oil in just over two months time. Granted this well was rumored to have mechanical issues, but that isn't close to being economic. Encana seems to have fared better with their first attempt.
Posted by WavinWilly
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Posted on 2/3/12 at 8:38 pm to
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Interesting comparison between the early days of the Eagle Ford and this relatively young TMS. Click on the chart to enlarge.

Eagle Ford Shale: The Early Days



Can you summarize what it means for me? I'm somewhat lost with this stuff sometimes.

Also what kind of recourse would I have if there has been drilling on the land I own the mineral rights too and we were never contacted. (I think someone else thought our land was part of what they owned but it most certainly is not... the records are up to date in the court house)
Posted by gonads&strife
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Posted on 2/4/12 at 11:29 am to
You should contact an O&G attorney give him the facts and let him investigate. The facts may not be as you see them. If indeed there has been a trespass you will be owed $$$ for your damages.
Posted by WavinWilly
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Posted on 2/4/12 at 1:04 pm to
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The facts may not be as you see them


We are contacting a land man (I think that's what it is called) first and then depending on what he finds, probably a lawyer.

I would think that the money we would be looking at would be potentially higher because of a few broken laws and not being able to negotiate on our own behalf. But as is usually the case with the law, that's probably not the case.
Posted by gonads&strife
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Posted on 2/4/12 at 2:25 pm to
If you actually have a case it will settle with the negotiation of a lease - if the well is productive. And beware of the landman - lots of idiots out there claiming to be landmen.
Posted by WavinWilly
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Posted on 2/4/12 at 4:17 pm to
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If you actually have a case it will settle with the negotiation of a lease - if the well is productive


Appreciate the discussion.

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And beware of the landman - lots of idiots out there claiming to be landmen.


Very true. The courthouse is chock full of them. But I have family that work somewhat in the field and they have pointed us in the direction of people they have known for a long time.

Posted by tigerpawl
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Posted on 2/7/12 at 7:36 am to
Interesting article in today's Morning Advocate.

A lot of people think every well in the Tuscaloosa should produce 1,000 barrels a day, but it takes time for drilling companies to figure out the best approach, Barrell said.

Barrell, the author of a blog on the Tuscaloosa Trend, said people forget or don’t realize that the early results varied from wells drilled in the Eagle Ford Shale in Texas.
Posted by gonads&strife
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Posted on 2/7/12 at 9:40 am to
It's not so much that they have to figure out the best approach. What they're doing is trying to identify the sweet spot - if there is one. Currently, they haven't and the results have been poor.
Posted by Tiger_Man
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:24 am to
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It's not so much that they have to figure out the best approach. What they're doing is trying to identify the sweet spot - if there is one. Currently, they haven't and the results have been poor.

Still very early in the exploration phase, but nearly 800 bopd on Weyerhaeuser 73 is a good start for Encana.
Posted by gonads&strife
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Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:34 am to
800bopd is not a good ip when you take well costs, leasing costs and the likely decline curve into account.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:39 am to
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Still very early in the exploration phase, but nearly 800 bopd on Weyerhaeuser 73 is a good start for Encana.


All depends on how long payout take if they can even get wells to reach it. Should these wells not make payout in 12-14 months I would guess the companies will move on to other plays. These wells probably cost from $9-$10 million if not more than that due to the science involved early on. Divide that by $60 - $70 for net oil price and you can see a ball park estimate of how much oil must be produced to be economical.
Posted by Tiger_Man
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 2/7/12 at 4:41 pm to
Things will change when they turn these pads into advanced resource play hubs. 16 lateral wells drilled from one pad.
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This post was edited on 2/7/12 at 4:50 pm
Posted by gonads&strife
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/7/12 at 10:07 pm to
You don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by Beerinthepocket
Dallas
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/8/12 at 12:20 am to
The actually drilling of each well will still cost the same, so it still has to prove to be individually profitable. I believe Encana has planned to drill four from each of the two Anderson pads should these first two prove to be profitable.
Posted by tigerpawl
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Posted on 2/8/12 at 4:51 am to
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800bopd is not a good ip when you take well costs, leasing costs and the likely decline curve into account.
I think when you can count the number of wells on one hand, that's a very encouraging sign. Sort of like finding a small nugget of gold... do you stop there?
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 2/8/12 at 8:15 am to
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I think when you can count the number of wells on one hand, that's a very encouraging sign. Sort of like finding a small nugget of gold... do you stop there?


These wells are expensive and will require a lot of oil to be produced to reach payout. Without knowing exact costs from operators you're looking at potentially 140,000 barrels or more to reach payout, and that's assuming oil prices don't fall a bit. We're going to have to see some big numbers posted for production on some of these wells to see if they can become profitable.
Posted by Tiger_Man
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Posted on 2/8/12 at 9:51 am to
I'm just going by what Encana is saying. Do you think Ecana knows want they are talking about????
They presented that Resource Play Hub yesterday during their presentation, which probably an attempt to gather investors. That, I would assume is part of their plan to help keep the ball rolling with additional revenue. They claim this method will cut cost.
Also,you previously mentioned lease cost. Well, out of all of the shale plays, TMS offers the lowest cost in leasing, so that cost is a drop in the bucket for drilling companies.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8274 posts
Posted on 2/8/12 at 10:23 am to
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I'm just going by what Encana is saying. Do you think Ecana knows want they are talking about????
They presented that Resource Play Hub yesterday during their presentation, which probably an attempt to gather investors. That, I would assume is part of their plan to help keep the ball rolling with additional revenue. They claim this method will cut cost.
Also,you previously mentioned lease cost. Well, out of all of the shale plays, TMS offers the lowest cost in leasing, so that cost is a drop in the bucket for drilling companies.



Multi well pads can cut some cost, but it won't materially change the economics of the play if the zone won't produce enough oil. These pads have been used in other commercial plays including the Haynesville, Barnett, Fayetteville, and Marcellus, so it's not as if you've discovered something new that will make the TMS work. These have already been used in the gas shales but low gas prices have made even these development wells uneconomic for now. TMS wells will cost a lot of money to drill and then another large sum of money to complete with large multi-stage frac jobs. Lease cost might be lower in the TMS play than elsewhere, but it still is a cost that has to be accounted for just like the cost to operate producing wells. Take $10 million and divide by the expected net oil price ($60-$80 depending on what royalties, transportation costs, etc. you assume) and you will see what kinds of oil volume payout will require.
Posted by Pierre
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 2/8/12 at 11:22 am to
(10,000,000 dollars/60 dollars per barrel)/365days is 456.xx barrels a day to reach payout in 1year

Am I figuring that properly or leaving something out?
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