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re: Tuscaloosa Marine Shale
Posted on 2/8/12 at 11:48 am to Pierre
Posted on 2/8/12 at 11:48 am to Pierre
Encana told us that the cost of drilling each well could be as low as 7 million if everything goes according to plan and as high as 12 million if there are mistakes or unexpected slow downs. So the $10mil estimate could be high in some cases.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 12:40 pm to Pierre
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Am I figuring that properly or leaving something out?
It's a rough estimate and certainly subject to change due to prices changing or slightly different royalties and costs in each individual unit. Certainly it provides a perspective on how much oil they need to make this play economic, and while 6,300 barrels in the first few days looks encouraging when you need 100,000 - 140,000 to break even it shows how far there is to go. Eagleford wells as a comparison are much shallower, contain better rock, and many are producing 100,000 barrels or more in the first year as per some recent producers results.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 9:07 pm to TigerDog83
Current LLS pricing will definitely make the TMS more attractive if it can show any signs of maintaining that premium over WTI. I'm not very bullish TMS right now, but when the science catches up a bit, and world demand strengthens Brent, there will be a time for TMS. It has a ways to go right now though...IMO.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 9:12 pm to TigerBite
Can anyone tell me what the quality of the crude looks like of the producing wells?
Posted on 2/8/12 at 11:04 pm to TigerBite
Totally agree with you on that. This play will have it's day. They still have producing vertical wells drilled back in the early 70's, 80's & 90's.
Wouldn't be surprised to see other oil majors partner up with the current operators to get it figured out. Eagle Ford giant, EOG, has started acquiring acreage in TMS, late in the game. I'm confident they will find ways to cut cost in the coming years.
I hear the quality of crude is good, with a low sulfur content & API of 39 to 40. Lt Sweet Crude is good stuff!
Wouldn't be surprised to see other oil majors partner up with the current operators to get it figured out. Eagle Ford giant, EOG, has started acquiring acreage in TMS, late in the game. I'm confident they will find ways to cut cost in the coming years.
I hear the quality of crude is good, with a low sulfur content & API of 39 to 40. Lt Sweet Crude is good stuff!
Posted on 2/8/12 at 11:08 pm to Tiger_Man
What makes you confident they'll be able to cut costs?
Posted on 2/8/12 at 11:12 pm to Beerinthepocket
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Encana told us that the cost of drilling each well could be as low as 7 million if everything goes according to plan and as high as 12 million if there are mistakes or unexpected slow downs. So the $10mil estimate could be high in some cases.
I saw where Encana management reported that the first well drilled, Weyerhauser 73, cost $8 mil to complete. I believe in Eagle Ford, they are around $6 mil.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 11:37 pm to kfizzle85
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What makes you confident they'll be able to cut costs?
I have no scientific data to base my belief on, but I have to believe that they will learn valuable lessons as they continue to explore TMS. It would be hard to believe that engineers don't have other tricks up their sleeves to economically produce this play . They are just getting started and still have along way to go, so I don't see any harm in having faith that sometime in the future, that they can make this work.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 12:06 am to Tiger_Man
I mean it just seems like costs tend to scale with production and oil prices by and large. They find oil, leases go up. Oil might not go up, but basic finance dictates that the costs to get to it do, and they clearly do. Obviously it depends on when companies decide to get into plays and how early/late they are to the find, but still. They find lots of oil, they need more equipment or services to get said oil out. They may be able to be more company-specific efficient after the learning curve is conquered but with the unbelievable onshore demand for oilfield services (nat gas prices being shitty or not) I don't see how you could possibly squeeze margin out of an inherently risky play. Look at a company like EGN that has been acquiring acregage in various parts of the Permain for the last 2 years. That's clearly one of the more developed (speaking of the whole basin) areas and they still talk about well cost variability due to water disposal, unpredictable GOR ratios
(which are obviously critical with natty being what it is currently) and water flow, and hitting the areas they are trying to hit (Avalon Shale, 3rd Bone Spring, etc) and generally not knowing how economical those wells might be still. And those are $7-9MM/well @ (someone correct me if I'm wrong, for 3rdBS) like 12.5k feet. Aren't we talking about the same kind of depth? I'm not sure what kind of porosity or natural fracture is in the TMS, I fully admit that, I'm just generalizing.
IDK maybe the o&g professionals can comment on the contract structure of the services firms more and the geology of the play relative to the other more recent areas of activity. The firms we work with have been making money hand over fist; its not like the product pricing is opaque. If I'm HAL or BHI I'm not going to toss already stretched resources at a discount when the same company is breathing down my neck for shite in EF, Bakken, Permian, ML, etc etc. eta: On the flip, if I'm [insert E&P co here], why would I want to direct those contracted resources to TMS when EF etc are paying out like they are? These are sophisticated companies, not a bunch of wildcatters on a whim; there's no way that shite isn't already built into their economics.
(which are obviously critical with natty being what it is currently) and water flow, and hitting the areas they are trying to hit (Avalon Shale, 3rd Bone Spring, etc) and generally not knowing how economical those wells might be still. And those are $7-9MM/well @ (someone correct me if I'm wrong, for 3rdBS) like 12.5k feet. Aren't we talking about the same kind of depth? I'm not sure what kind of porosity or natural fracture is in the TMS, I fully admit that, I'm just generalizing.
IDK maybe the o&g professionals can comment on the contract structure of the services firms more and the geology of the play relative to the other more recent areas of activity. The firms we work with have been making money hand over fist; its not like the product pricing is opaque. If I'm HAL or BHI I'm not going to toss already stretched resources at a discount when the same company is breathing down my neck for shite in EF, Bakken, Permian, ML, etc etc. eta: On the flip, if I'm [insert E&P co here], why would I want to direct those contracted resources to TMS when EF etc are paying out like they are? These are sophisticated companies, not a bunch of wildcatters on a whim; there's no way that shite isn't already built into their economics.
This post was edited on 2/9/12 at 12:10 am
Posted on 2/9/12 at 12:31 am to kfizzle85
kfizzle85 The TMS geology consist of mudstone, siltstone, sandstone, limestone and shale mixed and laminated into a highly productive tight, low permeability formation.
Similar geological make up as Eagle Ford, but less brittle, from what I have been told.
Similar geological make up as Eagle Ford, but less brittle, from what I have been told.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 12:47 am to Tiger_Man
Depth? If its less brittle and low perm I'm not sure how that would make it more economical (relative to EF) presuming similar depth, all other things being equal? Is it not suspected to be an extension of the AC?
Posted on 2/9/12 at 1:29 am to kfizzle85
It's deeper than Eagle Ford with similar thickness. With it being deeper, I couldn't see how it ever be as economical as Eagle Ford. Most reports I've read claim it to be 11,000 to 14,000 across the play.
Porosity ranges between 5% and 10%.
Less brittle and easier to frac, but higher risk.
Porosity ranges between 5% and 10%.
Less brittle and easier to frac, but higher risk.
This post was edited on 2/9/12 at 1:31 am
Posted on 2/9/12 at 2:59 am to Tiger_Man
Less brittle but easier to frac? So it won't crack as easily but its easier to break? And its deeper?
This post was edited on 2/9/12 at 3:00 am
Posted on 2/9/12 at 6:57 am to kfizzle85
The problem with the TMS is depth and clay.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 7:50 am to gonads&strife
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The problem with the TMS is depth and clay.
This is essentially it in a nutshell, plus the difficulties of drilling and running casing in the TMS. I've heard some chatter that operators are seeing sloughing of the formation if they have no pipe in the hole for more than 48 hours. Bet that makes for a tense job running casing.
TigerMan - The eagleford TX comparison is ok in some respects, but that is more of a carbonate versus this is a silica rich shale/mudstone. Carbonates are much better reservoir rocks as has been proven around the world in the giant fields. As has been said from the beginning if the problems with the TMS are in the rock itself (Clay content, etc.) than the play might not work.
This post was edited on 2/9/12 at 7:52 am
Posted on 2/13/12 at 10:12 am to rushing11
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Is the expansion of this NuStar facility related to TMS and AC activity?
It's really entirely unrelated. St. James is the physical location for the LLS marker. Since LLS is trading at a hefty premium to WTI, it has become the most coveted landing spot for US/Canadian crude. There aren't enough facilities in place to handle all the crude that wants to get to St. James, so this expansion is demand related and not a TMS supply response.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 9:08 am to TigerBite
Thanks for the reply; I was speaking with a gentleman several months ago who retired from the industry. His advice was to not hold my breath until we begin to see significant investment in infrastructure associated with the developing plays. I assume he was referring to the transportation of oil and gas? What will be the method(s) of moving the oil, provided the production rate is good?
Posted on 2/14/12 at 10:23 am to rushing11
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What will be the method(s) of moving the oil, provided the production rate is good?
Trucking at first then pipelines.
Posted on 3/29/12 at 8:42 am to gonads&strife
The answer to whether Louisiana’s Tuscaloosa Marine Shale oil formation will see a rapid increase in activity could come Wednesday during Devon Energy’s analyst day, said Doug Leggate, senior U.S. energy analyst with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Devon Energy is expected to reveal if it has figured out how to economically produce in the shale formation, Leggate told those who attended Merrill Lynch’s oil and gas industry update Wednesday at Juban’s Restaurant. If so, drilling activity can be expected to accelerate.
“Watch this one very closely,” Leggate said, “because they’re the ones who are going to tell us if this play is working or not.” LINK
I did not attend the event and have not heard what was said. Anybody??
Devon Energy is expected to reveal if it has figured out how to economically produce in the shale formation, Leggate told those who attended Merrill Lynch’s oil and gas industry update Wednesday at Juban’s Restaurant. If so, drilling activity can be expected to accelerate.
“Watch this one very closely,” Leggate said, “because they’re the ones who are going to tell us if this play is working or not.” LINK
I did not attend the event and have not heard what was said. Anybody??
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