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re: Should I knock out the rest of my student loan?

Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:36 pm to
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:36 pm to
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Do you have any clue how to determine your MAGI? Serious question, because from the sound of this post I'm going to assume you don't.


By MAGI, I assume you mean Modified Adjusted Gross Income for the purposes of determining your student loan deduction. This particular modification is to exclude any student loan interest deducted from your AGI. But you are right, I did include some below the line deductions that would not actually decrease MAGI, however this mistake would actually make your opinion less valid, as we are talking strictly Gross Income here and the individuals in question would make even less. I was simply trying to prove 100k out to be above 80k, so that I could use the 100k figure as it is good for illustrative purposes.

You have tried to insult my intelligence and knowledge in 2 posts now, while not providing any sort of reasoning/evidence as to why my opinion is not valid.

Question for you, what did you score on REG? Because by the sound of your posts, I'm going to assume yours wasn't as high as mine.

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And I would say the typical average student that has taken out loans isn't coming out of the gate making 100k.



And I would say you are whiffing on the point here. This is a matter of proactive tax planning, not retroactive like you seem to think. In certain fields, your education is an absolute requirement of doing business.The US Tax code typically views costs of doing business, or certifications/education required in the field as deductions from AGI. Those jobs tend to be higher paying, because they require more training (cost) to get them. By allowing someone to deduct those costs that is in a lower paying job, and not the person who has a higher paying job (from our example, these 2 ppl have the same ratio of debt to income) which required more training, there is an inherent penalty (or lack of incentive) to pursue the higher paying career.

It doesn't matter how much you make, if you look at the purpose of the deduction, why it is there in the first place, it is related to generating income and encouraging education. If you cannot ever deduct for the latter, then the system is not encouraging certain types of education. I would call this a penalty.

ETA: Also, this doesn't take into account the possibility that you have any other sort of income, whether it be interest, rental income, dividends (whether they were actually paid or just increase your tax basis), capital gains, etc. You could have a taxable event that is out of your control that could put you over the MAGI limit hat you don't actually see any cash for that year, and you planned on taking the deduction. That tax event will likely reverse out in future years, but it affected you in a year that you planned on taking the deduction. There are just various scenarios that prove out that this deduction rewards lower income workers, or more importantly, former students that are achieving a relatively low ROI on their education.
This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 1:56 pm
Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
3182 posts
Posted on 2/9/16 at 1:58 pm to
I tried to do a bunch of calculations when I was going to pay mine off at 10k to see what made sense.

In the end, I said frick it and just paid it all off even though I probably couldn't really afford it.

It was the best decision ever. The weight off my chest was worth it.

Posted by FulshearTiger
Member since Jul 2015
5276 posts
Posted on 2/9/16 at 3:19 pm to
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But you are right, I did include some below the line deductions that would not actually decrease MAGI, however this mistake would actually make your opinion less valid, as we are talking strictly Gross Income here


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Question for you, what did you score on REG? Because by the sound of your posts, I'm going to assume yours wasn't as high as mine


that explains it. Now I know all I need to know about you, champ.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10265 posts
Posted on 2/9/16 at 3:34 pm to
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If you own a home and itemize already (if you deduct mortgage interest), you could refinance or second mortgage to cash out enough to pay off the student debt. You will now be paying a lower interest rate and be able to deduct that interest.


This.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20018 posts
Posted on 2/9/16 at 5:11 pm to
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that explains it. Now I know all I need to know about you, champ




Same here, fella. If you knew anything that you cared to contribute, you would have. Instead, you called out what I said as stupid, and then pointed out a mistake that I made to attack my credibility, while in reality it only strengthened my argument. What you are doing here is called a straw man, and it is not how you win arguments, it is how you inhibit yourself from understanding other peoples' viewpoints by refusing to offer your own.

Look man, this board isn't really for pissing matches. People aren't going to read archived threads and will just start new ones if they are full of garbage like this; I was not trying to be rude, but I did want you to know that I am qualified to talk about this, since you implied that I was not. Since you have not provided any additional insight beyond calling my viewpoint stupid, or any indication that you are qualified to do so, I'll assume that you are content with dropping it.
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
19999 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:36 am to
Pay it off.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:50 am to
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Nope, welcome to the world of getting fricked on that one.
Want to talk about getting fricked? I got divorced in 2015. My wife was a full-time student and I paid her tuition out of pocket to avoid having to take loans. Now I have to file single, can't claim her as a dependent, can't claim head of household (no children), and can't deduct the tuition I paid.

I was "smart" and had my W-4 set up so that I would have no refund.

Now, since I can't file jointly, I owe a shitload of money to the IRS.

FML!

Thankfully I'm only paying alimony until May, and that shite is deductible.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 11:52 am
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