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Looking to change my perspective on personal finance
Posted on 6/12/15 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 6/12/15 at 5:54 pm
I've recently heard two statements that made me question my perceptions on personal finance.
1. I recently moved for a new position and a coworker asked why I didn't buy a house. I told him 20% down plus closing costs would erode my savings too much and I like to have a conservative year of expenses in the bank in case things ever go south. He told me he put 5% down on a house. I thought this was a bad idea; most interest is paid early in the life of the home loan so this guy is paying a ton but not really building equity. That's my understanding at least.
2. Listening to CBS Sports radio yesterday, the commentators were listing top sports star's salaries. One commentator said a six figure income is the goal for most people but until he gets there, he'll be content to just keep a comma in his bank account after grocery shopping, etc. He said even having $1,001 after a trip would be a success. Surely this can't be the norm.
This kind of thing has me re-evaluating my knowledge of personal finance and where I stand financially. Is this how a majority of the population lives? How much (as a percentage) of your take home pay do you save each month? How much do you keep in the bank as a safety net? How much (as a percentage of total value) did you put down on your home?
I grew up on the lower end of the upper class so I know my financial perspective has been warped but now I'm seeing the other extreme (5% down/< $1,000 in the bank) as normal. Someone set the record straight for me. For reference, I'm single, 28, and started a career a 1 1/2 years ago after getting out of grad school with no debt. I make a bit under six figures including bonus but next year I will make just over six figures including the lowest bonus possible (one of three types of bonuses is guaranteed).
1. I recently moved for a new position and a coworker asked why I didn't buy a house. I told him 20% down plus closing costs would erode my savings too much and I like to have a conservative year of expenses in the bank in case things ever go south. He told me he put 5% down on a house. I thought this was a bad idea; most interest is paid early in the life of the home loan so this guy is paying a ton but not really building equity. That's my understanding at least.
2. Listening to CBS Sports radio yesterday, the commentators were listing top sports star's salaries. One commentator said a six figure income is the goal for most people but until he gets there, he'll be content to just keep a comma in his bank account after grocery shopping, etc. He said even having $1,001 after a trip would be a success. Surely this can't be the norm.
This kind of thing has me re-evaluating my knowledge of personal finance and where I stand financially. Is this how a majority of the population lives? How much (as a percentage) of your take home pay do you save each month? How much do you keep in the bank as a safety net? How much (as a percentage of total value) did you put down on your home?
I grew up on the lower end of the upper class so I know my financial perspective has been warped but now I'm seeing the other extreme (5% down/< $1,000 in the bank) as normal. Someone set the record straight for me. For reference, I'm single, 28, and started a career a 1 1/2 years ago after getting out of grad school with no debt. I make a bit under six figures including bonus but next year I will make just over six figures including the lowest bonus possible (one of three types of bonuses is guaranteed).
Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:11 pm to ClydeFrog
It's good that you have worked hard and had the advantages of family doing great, but most of the world isn't like that. Most people stretch themselves too far unfortunately.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:17 pm to ClydeFrog
FHA loan. 3.5 down. .8% PMI. 4% interest on a 30yr fixed.
If you're going to live in your area for 4+ Years, look in to it.
If you're going to live in your area for 4+ Years, look in to it.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:48 pm to ClydeFrog
quote:I would say a majority of the population is either in debt or living paycheck to paycheck.
Is this how a majority of the population lives?
Posted on 6/12/15 at 6:58 pm to ClydeFrog
quote:Regrettably (but not surprisingly), yes.
Is this how a majority of the population lives?
quote:Minimum of 20%.
How much (as a percentage) of your take home pay do you save each month?
Posted on 6/12/15 at 7:44 pm to ClydeFrog
quote:
Is this how a majority of the population lives?
quote:
Nearly HALF of American households would not be able to afford a $400 emergency without borrowing money
47 per cent American households would not be able to afford a $400 emergency, according to an annual report by the Federal Reserve
More families are turning to non-bank high interest loans, pawnshops, and rent-to-own services for emergencies and basic expenses
The survey also found that up to a third of respondents went without medical treatment because they could not afford it
LINK
Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:09 pm to ClydeFrog
Your attitude about buying a house is exactly spot on.
The idea that real estate always goes up is just wrong.
If you want to do something buy a 4 plex. Live in one and rent three. Otherwise just keep going as you are.
The idea that real estate always goes up is just wrong.
If you want to do something buy a 4 plex. Live in one and rent three. Otherwise just keep going as you are.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:13 pm to I B Freeman
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The idea that real estate always goes up is just wrong.
Who believes this that isn't an ignoramus?
Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:15 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:
quote:
The idea that real estate always goes up is just wrong.
Who believes this that isn't an ignoramus?
There are plenty still out there.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:45 pm to ClydeFrog
I can't add any input into the home purchasing idea, but I save 22% of my income and still have plenty of discretionary spending.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 8:52 pm to Epic Cajun
What about buying a cheaper house and still putting 20% down? I wouldn't buy just any house but look for a good deal since you are not in a rush.
As far as you question on savings, I think single with no kids, I would be okay with 3 months of expenses. With kids and a wife, I feel like you need 6 months.
As far as you question on savings, I think single with no kids, I would be okay with 3 months of expenses. With kids and a wife, I feel like you need 6 months.
Posted on 6/12/15 at 9:07 pm to ClydeFrog
I'm about to build and from what I understand 20% is mandatory for anything over 417k. Haven't made it that far though
Posted on 6/12/15 at 9:28 pm to Penn
What's constitutes jumbo up there? I would expect it to be more with cost of living difference.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:06 am to yellowfin
I'm pretty sure you can do jumbo without 20% down.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 9:33 am to LSUAfro
quote:
FHA loan. 3.5 down. .8% PMI
The problem with FHA's now are that they changed it to permanent PMI payments, no matter how much equity you build into the house.
I just don't see how buying a home and having a fixed extra cost for the life of the loan is smart. Maybe it's your only option, but you may be better holding off until you can put the normal 20% down.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 10:22 am to Teddy Ruxpin
No one should believe housing always goes up. However, the idea of putting money into something that is gaining equity instead of pissing away money to a landlord in rent appeals to me
Not necessarily meant for you teddy, just happened to be the one I hit reply too.
Not necessarily meant for you teddy, just happened to be the one I hit reply too.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 12:26 pm to ClydeFrog
You can get a traditional loan for 80% and a line of credit for the next 9%. You only have to but 11% down and pay the loc when you can.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 3:52 pm to Epic Cajun
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by Epic Cajun I'm pretty sure you can do jumbo without 20% down.
All the ones I talked to required it
I planned to do 20% anyway though so I haven't looked very hard
Eta: I'm building and not purchasing so that may matter too
This post was edited on 6/13/15 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 6/13/15 at 4:46 pm to iluvredboxx
Over the long term, the real return on a home you live in is probably closer to zero. After you factor maintenance costs, interest expense, property taxes, insurance, time to do lawn care/pay someone to do it, etc.
Granted there may be years were price does appreciate more than typical. Or if someone does a lot of work themselves to build up some sweat equity.
I only consider rental property to be an investment. Not your home.
Granted there may be years were price does appreciate more than typical. Or if someone does a lot of work themselves to build up some sweat equity.
I only consider rental property to be an investment. Not your home.
This post was edited on 6/13/15 at 4:47 pm
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