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Leaving a job- PTO and extended illness bank payouts

Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:42 am
Posted by TechDawg2007
Bawville
Member since Nov 2007
32249 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:42 am
If you leave a job do they have to pay you for any remaining PTO time and extended illness time you have accumulated? If so, do they pay them at %100? And do they have to pay out the extended illness time you have accumulated?
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 10:43 am
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22775 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:46 am to
They have to follow office policy, so it's dependent on your employer.

I've had offices that did not payout PTO in order to make you take time off. I've had offices that paid out PTO, but not sick leave.

Matter of fact, I can't ever remember being paid, or having to payout, for accumulated sick leave. Most companies just payout unused PTO in my experience.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 10:47 am
Posted by Larry Gooseman
Houston
Member since Mar 2014
2655 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 10:59 am to
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Matter of fact, I can't ever remember being paid, or having to payout, for accumulated sick leave. Most companies just payout unused PTO in my experience.



This would be my guess. IMO that is a benefit you accrued and is rightfully yours. After significant layoffs in 2009, my company significantly reduced the amount you could bank after having to pay some people 6+ weeks of PTO when they got laid off.
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
11458 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 12:05 pm to
My PTO, up to a point, was.

My sick leave was not...however, if I had returned to employment I believe up to 300 hours would be logged for use, assuming that much had been accumulated
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32520 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 1:45 pm to
At my last job I was paid out up to 300 hours of vacation time at 100%, the payout for more than 300 was lower, but I didn't have over 300 hours so I'm not sure what it was.

I didn't get paid for sick time.
Posted by poops_at_parties
Member since Jan 2016
1545 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 8:21 pm to
I don't think there are any laws that dictate this.
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2038 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:36 pm to
My company's handbook states they pay you 2/3 of accrued PTO as long as you leave in good standing. So like others have said, it's probably left up to corporate policy.
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 9:37 pm
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 9:44 pm to
In Louisiana, the Employment Security Law's supplemental policy guidelines state:

Vacation Pay - Payable upon separation
Sick Leave - Not required nor due upon separation
PTO - Not required or due upon separation

This does not mean that some companies do not honor their separating employees by paying Sick or PTO. It just means that as a business owner in the State of Louisiana, there is established policy, precedent and case law that has long ago established that those types of leave are not something you are owed as of your date of separation from your employer.
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
53177 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 11:45 pm to
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:45 am to
quote:

Vacation Pay - Payable upon separation
Sick Leave - Not required nor due upon separation
PTO - Not required or due upon separation


Most employers only offer PTO now to avoid paying out vacation if there is a separation.

IMHO, if you are laid off or fired, they should offer to pay you out. If you decide to leave...dude, that was your choice. Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95454 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 8:52 am to
If it is accrued, you are paid out. If you get a lump sum on some random date, you arent paid out. That simple. It can be called PTO, Vacation, Oompa Lumpa days, etc etc. Accrued vs given are the important things
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Last month, an intermediate appeals court in Louisiana held that accrued and unused paid days off constituted earned wages for which compensation was due to a former employee upon separation under the Louisiana Wage Payment Act


quote:

Whether termed vacation, sick, holiday or other form of “paid time off” (often shorthanded as “PTO”), all employers must analyze their PTO policies under state law to prevent unintended consequences thereof. Further, employer may wish to consider aggressive strategies to avoid payout obligations.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 8:56 am
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:39 am to
quote:

Whether termed vacation, sick, holiday or other form of “paid time off” (often shorthanded as “PTO”), all employers must analyze their PTO policies under state law to prevent unintended consequences thereof. Further, employer may wish to consider aggressive strategies to avoid payout obligations.
and we wonder why all these businesses are leaving louisiana.
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
53177 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:53 am to
Lucky for them, the LWC doesn't know or willfully be advises people incorrectly of their rights.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:56 am to
quote:

If it is accrued, you are paid out. If you get a lump sum on some random date, you arent paid out. That simple. It can be called PTO, Vacation, Oompa Lumpa days, etc etc. Accrued vs given are the important things


So if I accrue 8 hours of vacation and 8 hours of sick leave a month, both are paid out upon separation? No matter what is stated in my employee handbook?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32520 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

If it is accrued, you are paid out. If you get a lump sum on some random date, you arent paid out. That simple. It can be called PTO, Vacation, Oompa Lumpa days, etc etc. Accrued vs given are the important things


Someone should tell this to the state of Louisiana, because they don't pay out sick time upon separation.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95454 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:05 pm to
quote:

8 hours of sick leave a month
No
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95454 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:06 pm to
For Christ sake sick time is not included. Read the case. If Vacation is accrued, it is paid out. It doesnt matter what they term the vacation. People seem to think it being termed PTO and included with sick time waives them of their right upon seperation. It doesnt

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Vacation pay due at termination? Vacation pay is considered “wages,” and once vacation time is accumulated, it is the property of the employee. Thus, unused earned time for paid vacation must be paid at termination. Penalties for violating compensation for vacation at termination are the same as for failure to pay last wages within 3 days of termination. Written or other policies requiring the forfeiture of such accrued rights are not enforceable (Beard v. Summit Institute, 707 So.2d 1233 (La. 1998)); (LA R.S. 23:631, 23:634, and 23:636).


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Like other states, Louisiana permits the employer to designate how much of the total PTO is vacation time, and how much is comparable to sick leave or personal time. This designation should be made in writing, preferably in the employee handbook. The designation must be reasonable. If an employee receives 20 days of PTO, the employer cannot designate 19 days as sick leave and 1 day as vacation time. It would be reasonable to designate 10 days as vacation and 10 days as sick leave. The designation also needs to be the same for all employees.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 1:08 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32520 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

For Christ sake sick time is not included.


You mad?

I know they also only pay out 300 hours at 100% compensation.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95454 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

I know they also only pay out 300 hours at 100% compensation.
I would say that is more than what would be deemed reasonable. Most employers would never even allow an employees vacation bank to go that high
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
53177 posts
Posted on 6/1/16 at 1:28 pm to
Not this shite again. We just did this two months ago.
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