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re: Dow futures fall 100 points
Posted on 8/27/15 at 4:09 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Posted on 8/27/15 at 4:09 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
I'm in the camp that says the lows are in and we aren't sniffing them again. I hope I'm wrong because I didn't make a single purchase as I was waiting for it to continue
Posted on 8/27/15 at 5:38 pm to TigerTatorTots
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I'm in the camp that says the lows are in and we aren't sniffing them again.
I've completely changed my stance and am now in this camp as well, especially if tomorrow is green (which I expect it to be).
Posted on 8/27/15 at 5:54 pm to maclauer
My stance is I have no fricking idea.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 6:40 pm to LSUtoOmaha
No one has any idea only educated guesses. My guess is we re-test the lows again before finishing the year strong. This is the first out of the last three that has stuck to the seasonality of the past. Again, all one big guess.
Cue the Matthew Mcconaughey scene from wolf of Wall Street.
Cue the Matthew Mcconaughey scene from wolf of Wall Street.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 6:57 pm to Janky
Yeah. If you're right 60% of the time, that's pretty good. Excellent if you're disciplined and only take small losses, don't get greedy, and at least take some money off the table from time to time.
I have no major issue with buy and hold. But buy and plan to hold, but also plan a maximum loss to get out at, and plan to take at least some profit at a certain gain. My opinion only, but the lack of doing this is the largest mistake everyone, including myself, makes.
I don't make it very often. I should have sold more silver when it was at all time highs. I didn't. Mistake. If I had, I could have moved the part I sold to a different asset class, which at that time would have been equities for me. More cash for the run up.
I should have bought real estate in the down market. I didn't. Mostly because I didn't want more real estate headaches, but that's a poor excuse for missing that opportunity.
I should have absolutely loaded on GE and Minnesota Mining and Mfg. I kept the same position I've always had. How good more of these two been going forward at a lower cost basis?
Years ago, I put way too much in Calpine after Enron went broke. I needed cash and sold way too soon. Mistake.
No one knows the direction. I'm personally skittish about the more aggressive growth stocks right now. An example being FB. Maybe I'm crazy, but how, given the present uncertainty, anyone would want to buy FB at these levels is beyond me. Tesla. Same. TwitterTwatter. Same. And people say I'm aggressive. What's that junk trade at? 80 times meeger earnings. I find it absolutely crazy.
Today made some sense, insofar as DJ was getting bought, and Q's not as much. RUT still lags in my opinion, and if I'm going to get aggressive anywhere, it will be in a RUT stock. Albeit with much more volatility.
It's an interesting time to really look at your portfolio and try to balance some aggressiveness with some defense and wealth preservation. I've been reading a lot. Paying more attention during the day, and watch a lot more of the shows in the evening and early afternoon.
I have no major issue with buy and hold. But buy and plan to hold, but also plan a maximum loss to get out at, and plan to take at least some profit at a certain gain. My opinion only, but the lack of doing this is the largest mistake everyone, including myself, makes.
I don't make it very often. I should have sold more silver when it was at all time highs. I didn't. Mistake. If I had, I could have moved the part I sold to a different asset class, which at that time would have been equities for me. More cash for the run up.
I should have bought real estate in the down market. I didn't. Mostly because I didn't want more real estate headaches, but that's a poor excuse for missing that opportunity.
I should have absolutely loaded on GE and Minnesota Mining and Mfg. I kept the same position I've always had. How good more of these two been going forward at a lower cost basis?
Years ago, I put way too much in Calpine after Enron went broke. I needed cash and sold way too soon. Mistake.
No one knows the direction. I'm personally skittish about the more aggressive growth stocks right now. An example being FB. Maybe I'm crazy, but how, given the present uncertainty, anyone would want to buy FB at these levels is beyond me. Tesla. Same. TwitterTwatter. Same. And people say I'm aggressive. What's that junk trade at? 80 times meeger earnings. I find it absolutely crazy.
Today made some sense, insofar as DJ was getting bought, and Q's not as much. RUT still lags in my opinion, and if I'm going to get aggressive anywhere, it will be in a RUT stock. Albeit with much more volatility.
It's an interesting time to really look at your portfolio and try to balance some aggressiveness with some defense and wealth preservation. I've been reading a lot. Paying more attention during the day, and watch a lot more of the shows in the evening and early afternoon.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 7:02 pm to Iowa Golfer
I agree 100% with your first paragraph. I constantly preach to my clients about downside protection. We really focus on the beta of the portfolio to help with this. I feel I need to eliminate the psychology of the investor as much as possible otherwise they will try sell at every small downturn.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 7:35 pm to Janky
I really enjoy managing my own investments. However at some point I can see paying someone to do it for me.
The scary part for me is I believe in order to have a balanced asset class portfolio you should own income property. And as I get older, I can see not wanting any of this. My experience with property managers has never been good. I'm in my 40's, and there are times I'd like to sell it all. But frankly it has performed so well, I don't. It's a worry. I'm not interested in REITs. I probably don't know enough about them to be frank.
The other two areas that concern me are I don't own a lot of tech stocks, or any biotechs. There's guys on here that seem to know the products and growth potential, but I don't understand this stuff, and the one thing I never do is invest in something I don't understand. This is another place I can see me paying someone to help me with.
I mean I own 0 biotechs. I played options on more of them mentioned on here by a guy that seemed to know what he was doing. I bought a hundred shares and sold covered calls. I ended up collecting premium, and I eventually sold the stock at a small gain. Outside of that, I have never owned another one.
I have some areas I need to work on. But I guess I own mutual funds, so maybe I own stuff that I have no idea I own. Actually, I'm sure about that. One the reasons I'm going to change my company's retirement advisor as soon as my partner retires.
But seiriously, my biggest concern is what is the best and quickest food to get for dinner this evening. Yeah, in a lot of ways I'm a loser.
The scary part for me is I believe in order to have a balanced asset class portfolio you should own income property. And as I get older, I can see not wanting any of this. My experience with property managers has never been good. I'm in my 40's, and there are times I'd like to sell it all. But frankly it has performed so well, I don't. It's a worry. I'm not interested in REITs. I probably don't know enough about them to be frank.
The other two areas that concern me are I don't own a lot of tech stocks, or any biotechs. There's guys on here that seem to know the products and growth potential, but I don't understand this stuff, and the one thing I never do is invest in something I don't understand. This is another place I can see me paying someone to help me with.
I mean I own 0 biotechs. I played options on more of them mentioned on here by a guy that seemed to know what he was doing. I bought a hundred shares and sold covered calls. I ended up collecting premium, and I eventually sold the stock at a small gain. Outside of that, I have never owned another one.
I have some areas I need to work on. But I guess I own mutual funds, so maybe I own stuff that I have no idea I own. Actually, I'm sure about that. One the reasons I'm going to change my company's retirement advisor as soon as my partner retires.
But seiriously, my biggest concern is what is the best and quickest food to get for dinner this evening. Yeah, in a lot of ways I'm a loser.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 8:00 pm to Iowa Golfer
Traded REITs are ok in my opinion. I only currently own HTA which is a healthcare REIT. I like and know the terms and think healthcare will be strong for a while. I don't deal in rental properties so I can't comment to that. I have clients that do real well with rental, but that is not my area.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 8:54 pm to TigerTatorTots
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I'm in the camp that says the lows are in and we aren't sniffing them again.
Been reading various stats on volatility of last week. Kind of mind blowing. Can't remember volatility like this except '08.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:25 pm to LSU1NSEC
I'm probably just being pessimistic and not getting my hopes up for a move lower
Posted on 8/27/15 at 11:30 pm to Iowa Golfer
I wanted to avoid owning rental property for rental income as well.....so instead I got into REITs...screw that...lesson learned.
I can do much better with timber and oil, gas trusts. The REITs made me feel like I was on the short end of every move.
The trick is to do your homework on basis and depletion. I have been out of the oil trusts for the last few years....will research this weekend because now may be a good striking point.
I can do much better with timber and oil, gas trusts. The REITs made me feel like I was on the short end of every move.
The trick is to do your homework on basis and depletion. I have been out of the oil trusts for the last few years....will research this weekend because now may be a good striking point.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 6:15 am to LSU1NSEC
quote:I've been waiting for this week since 2009. It's been wonderful! I've had a good year this week....
Can't remember volatility like this except '08.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 6:22 am to LSURussian
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I've had a good year this week..
Yeah Yeah
I've lost a little, but been purchasing on the way down. Stuck to my strategy of continuing to contribute. I"m not doing any short term plays.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:21 am to Lsut81
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:57 pm to Iowa Golfer
Asia down 1-3%
US Futures down about 1.5%
US Futures down about 1.5%
Posted on 8/31/15 at 10:12 pm to bayoubengals88
We need higher interest rates, and another 15-20% decline in equities. Healthy thing to knock some over leveraged players out. Hopefully the Fed does the right thing here.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 10:22 pm to TigerTatorTots
quote:I just put in an order for JNJ around $91. It appears I've missed the energy bottom. Gotta make something of these sales
I'm in the camp that says the lows are in and we aren't sniffing them again. I hope I'm wrong because I didn't make a single purchase as I was waiting for it to continue
Posted on 8/31/15 at 10:32 pm to bayoubengals88
I still dont see the markets getting close to the lows. I'll buy a little if they do
Posted on 9/1/15 at 5:19 am to TigerTatorTots
Today should be fun. Nikkei down 3.84%, all of Europe about -2.5, and U.S. Futures down a healthy amount.
Posted on 9/1/15 at 6:19 am to bayoubengals88
Testing the lows of last week. I think the low holds and the market gets to all time highs before the end of the year. Blue Light special time.
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