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CMA vs. CPA
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:40 pm
Obvious answer is obvious, but does the CMA garner any prestige or respect?
I'm assuming the CPA is going to move the meter more, even in the corporate world?
I'm assuming the CPA is going to move the meter more, even in the corporate world?
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:07 pm to southernelite
I work in finance, I view our accounting department as CPAs and non CPAs.
I'm sure it is better than nothing, but it wouldn't even be on my radar
I'm sure it is better than nothing, but it wouldn't even be on my radar
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:13 pm to southernelite
It has some, but not as much as it used to. The CPA designation is just more recognizable, especially to HR folks.
My grandfather had his CMA and was CFO of a midsize company. He told me back in his day CPA was for people going into public accounting(imagine that) while those that wanted a career in industry got their CMA. Somewhere along the way, corporations started valuing CPA designations more.
My grandfather had his CMA and was CFO of a midsize company. He told me back in his day CPA was for people going into public accounting(imagine that) while those that wanted a career in industry got their CMA. Somewhere along the way, corporations started valuing CPA designations more.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:27 pm to The Spleen
I mean, when I look around at CFOs and Controllers bios, CPA is the most common trend and maybe a few MBAs, but not much CMA.
I don't work in public accounting but am still pursuing my CPA because it still carries a ton of value.
A guy I work with has a CMA and has made a few comments about me pursuing a CPA, but I feel like my CPA will carry a lot more value than his CMA, so I don't quite get what issue he has.
I don't work in public accounting but am still pursuing my CPA because it still carries a ton of value.
A guy I work with has a CMA and has made a few comments about me pursuing a CPA, but I feel like my CPA will carry a lot more value than his CMA, so I don't quite get what issue he has.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:38 pm to southernelite
Most people I've come across that have their CMA, also have their CPA.
It will, especially early in your career. Once you have 10 years experience, your experience carries more weight, but by that time most positions at that level are going to prefer someone with a CPA. So it'll open more doors than just a CMA.
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I feel like my CPA will carry a lot more value than his CMA
It will, especially early in your career. Once you have 10 years experience, your experience carries more weight, but by that time most positions at that level are going to prefer someone with a CPA. So it'll open more doors than just a CMA.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:47 pm to southernelite
CPA is more recognizable and more desired from what I've seen. Since college I always see CPA mentioned for industry jobs but I've never seen CMA mentioned. Even if outside of public accounting a CMA is better that's not what I've seen employers wanting. If you get your CPA you can work for a public firm or a private company. With the CMA public accounting is off the table unless you're ok with being underpaid. From what I've seen most people who have a CMA also have a CPA. If it's one of the other I'd get the CPA.
ETA: I'm curious. What are the things your co-worker is saying?
ETA: I'm curious. What are the things your co-worker is saying?
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 2/7/17 at 1:58 pm to Phate
Just has mentioned several times how he doesn't understand why I'm pursuing a CPA.
He's also asked me how my pursuit was going and when I mentioned I was currently taking audit, which is the last class I have before I'm eligible, he said "see, that's why I'm not interested in the CPA".
He may not see the value for himself, but it's a little frustrating to him denigrate my pursuit because he doesn't deem it worthy. I've been promised a significant raise and reimbursement of all expenses when I attain it, so I know it's something they value. Our jobs are slightly different, as mine is currently more accounting oriented and his more analytical, and he's been here longer so they value him more in general, but I'm hoping to change that, because I see the controller spot opening and I want to position myself that way when it does, I'm the guy and not him.
He's also asked me how my pursuit was going and when I mentioned I was currently taking audit, which is the last class I have before I'm eligible, he said "see, that's why I'm not interested in the CPA".
He may not see the value for himself, but it's a little frustrating to him denigrate my pursuit because he doesn't deem it worthy. I've been promised a significant raise and reimbursement of all expenses when I attain it, so I know it's something they value. Our jobs are slightly different, as mine is currently more accounting oriented and his more analytical, and he's been here longer so they value him more in general, but I'm hoping to change that, because I see the controller spot opening and I want to position myself that way when it does, I'm the guy and not him.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 2:09 pm to southernelite
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I've been promised a significant raise and reimbursement of all expenses when I attain it
Not sure why you care what some guy in the office says if you are getting a raise, reimbursement and credentialed in a respected profession.
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I see the controller spot opening and I want to position myself that way when it does, I'm the guy and not him.
I doubt he is your real competition if he behaves this way and carries these absurd opinions
Posted on 2/7/17 at 2:11 pm to southernelite
Sounds like he's eyeing that same position and sees you as his competition so he's trying to sabotage your efforts. He knows a CPA is more valuable and he sees it as a threat.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 2:11 pm to southernelite
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I mean, when I look around at CFOs and Controllers bios, CPA is the most common trend and maybe a few MBAs, but not much CMA.
That may have more to do with a lot of companies demanding public accounting experience.
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He may not see the value for himself, but it's a little frustrating to him denigrate my pursuit because he doesn't deem it worthy
I ran into something similar, but that had more to do with the fact that I was in public and made it clear I was only there for the experience. I was getting a lot of wasting your time because you won't need the CPA designation once you leave BS.
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I'm hoping to change that, because I see the controller spot opening and I want to position myself that way when it does, I'm the guy and not him.
Having that CPA designation will definitely open more eyes when that position does become open. If yall are viewed close to the same level, chances are you will get that nod. this could also be why he is knocking you because he knows it and is too lazy to work his arse off like you are to get it for himself.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 2:22 pm to GenesChin
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Not sure why you care what some guy in the office says if you are getting a raise, reimbursement and credentialed in a respected profession
I don't really care, but when I have to frequently hear about it, it is somewhat frustrating, but it's a reminder of why I'm on the path I'm on.
I firmly believe that if I put in the work that I will prove to be a more valuable asset. I guess I haven't been here long enough, but I do feel like kind of outsider sometimes.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 3:09 pm to southernelite
CPA clearly had more prestige but I think a case can be made that the skill set taught in the CMA program is more applicable to life in corporate decision making.
Most folks don't know the CMA so it isn't going to open doors. But, the content can be pretty valuable.
Most folks don't know the CMA so it isn't going to open doors. But, the content can be pretty valuable.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 4:06 pm to southernelite
In Corporate Life, it's...
Best: CPA/CMA Combo
2nd: CPA only
3rd: CMA only
4th: nothing
Best: CPA/CMA Combo
2nd: CPA only
3rd: CMA only
4th: nothing
Posted on 2/7/17 at 7:58 pm to southernelite
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I've been promised a significant raise and reimbursement of all expenses when I attain it, so I know it's something they value.
Will you be able to satisfy work experience under cpa? Assuming you are in LA
Posted on 2/7/17 at 8:19 pm to OceanMan
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Will you be able to satisfy work experience under cpa?
Yes.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:20 pm to southernelite
I have both CPA and CMA and am currently the CFO of a mid-sized company. Without a doubt the CPA has been and will continue to be the more respected certification. I love the CMA content much more than the CPA content, but rarely have I seen employers asking for or preferring the CMA. I was with a Big 4 firm for 10 years before my current job so obviously the CPA was a must. The CMA has no relevance in public accounting.
If you are choosing between the two, do your career a favor and choose the CPA. The certification alone adds much credibility and opens so many more doors than you could imagine - numerous types of jobs and speaking engagements for the rest of your life. In a CFO position at a company like mine ($50 million) you can practice both and to be honest, you pretty much have to, but the CMA is not necessary. It's all about your experience and what you actually do. If you're dead set on the CMA, get it after the CPA. I found the CMA exam to be much less difficult and much easier to study for down the road with a spouse and one or two rugrats. Hope this helps.
If you are choosing between the two, do your career a favor and choose the CPA. The certification alone adds much credibility and opens so many more doors than you could imagine - numerous types of jobs and speaking engagements for the rest of your life. In a CFO position at a company like mine ($50 million) you can practice both and to be honest, you pretty much have to, but the CMA is not necessary. It's all about your experience and what you actually do. If you're dead set on the CMA, get it after the CPA. I found the CMA exam to be much less difficult and much easier to study for down the road with a spouse and one or two rugrats. Hope this helps.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:19 am to Keeper (LSU)
That's what I assumed. I'm dedicated to the CPA path, as I've already put a considerable amount of time and money into attaining it.
I was primarily trying to size up my "competition".
I work in an interesting niche, so my career path is relatively open and I can take several different depending on my interest and business needs. Think the CPA will do me just fine, but if I pursue a cert to pair with, it probably won't be a CMA.
I was primarily trying to size up my "competition".
I work in an interesting niche, so my career path is relatively open and I can take several different depending on my interest and business needs. Think the CPA will do me just fine, but if I pursue a cert to pair with, it probably won't be a CMA.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:43 am to Keeper (LSU)
Curious what is considered a mid-size company as I've seen it mentioned a few times. $5 million in EBITDA? $100 million?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:24 pm to southernelite
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quote: Will you be able to satisfy work experience under cpa?
Yes.
Sorry if that came off as rude or anything, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the requirement. I know a guy that started studying and didn't realize you had to have someone sign off.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:58 pm to OceanMan
No offense taken. I'm aware of all the requirements.
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