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re: Y do we Jump on JJ so hard?
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:24 pm to More beer please
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:24 pm to More beer please
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That wasnt part of my question. You cant place point scoring soley on the qb. However sacks and INTs are a little different
INTs can be a team effort too. WR ran the wrong route and wasn't where he was supposed to be, WR tipped the ball to the defense, WR ran a shitty route and got beat, etc. It's not just the QB for either JJ or Lee. Any QB in the country could be running the offense for us and it wouldn't make a difference. Nothing is good enough for LSU fans.
We had the #1 overall fricking draft pick running the offense and the board looked exactly like it does now.
This post was edited on 6/17/10 at 12:25 pm
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Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:26 pm to chilge1
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Or each of them can see that they get benched in favor of the other when they frick up and both become even more passive with the ball and the team gets divided between the two players.
I hate hate hate the two-QB system
I am saying their confidence is already in the toilet so what could it hurt. Jordan Jefferson is so scared of being Jarret Lee, that he just does nothing.
I still would rather a QB throw 2 int's a game than take 4 3rd down sacks a game.
Or the staff could recruit a QB, that would be good.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:27 pm to arobbi3
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Jesus tap dancing Christ. I know what all goes into a fricking football game.
Nice south park reference btw
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:30 pm to More beer please
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You didnt answer the question, is giving up a sack and punting worse than a pick six?
The question would be is giving up 7 sacks and playing like a scared child better than slinging it and two picks. They both suck, but I'd rather the two picks.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:31 pm to Jcorye1
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The question would be is giving up 7 sacks and playing like a scared child better than slinging it and two picks. They both suck, but I'd rather the two picks.
Yeah JL wasnt scared at all
. Why would you want to give up guaranteed points to the other team?Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:32 pm to Lloyd Christmas
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I am saying their confidence is already in the toilet so what could it hurt. Jordan Jefferson is so scared of being Jarret Lee, that he just does nothing.
Playing scared for fear of being booed is not the same as playing scared for fear of being benched. When you commit to two quarterbacks, you're not committed to either of them.
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Or the staff could recruit a QB, that would be good.
Recruiting isn't the problem.. its development. Lee was an Elite 11 QB and Jefferson, though a 3 star, was undervalued due to injury. He probably deserved another. But these guys were forced to play before they were ready and it's fricked with them.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:33 pm to More beer please
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Yeah JL wasnt scared at all . Why would you want to give up guaranteed points to the other team?
He didn't hold on to the ball when their was a window open to pass. There were tons of times JJ held on to a ball because it wasn't a wide open WR. A slant is always going to have a small window, you gotta throw it anyways.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:34 pm to chilge1
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Recruiting isn't the problem.. its development. Lee was an Elite 11 QB and Jefferson, though a 3 star, was undervalued due to injury. He probably deserved another. But these guys were forced to play before they were ready and it's fricked with them.
Jefferson was a 4*
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:35 pm to Jcorye1
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He didn't hold on to the ball when their was a window open to pass
Is that the same as throwing the ball when there is no windo to pass
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:39 pm to bmy
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Jefferson was a 4*
Even better. We have no problem recruiting QBs.. take a look back. JR, Flynn, Perrilloux, Lee, Jefferson, Lee (assuming he doesn't go the bb route)
But for the two out there now, it hasn't clicked yet.. not sure where the blame falls for that, but the development seems to be lacking. Personally, I hope that one of them lights it up next year so people can stop saying that.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:39 pm to Jcorye1
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He didn't hold on to the ball when their was a window open to pass. There were tons of times JJ held on to a ball because it wasn't a wide open WR. A slant is always going to have a small window, you gotta throw it anyways.
FWIW, most of JL's picks were to LBs over the middle, not quick slants.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:40 pm to LSUdm21
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FWIW, most of JL's picks were to LBs over the middle, not quick slants.
He threw them all over the place. I'm not saying hes the best guy ever, I'm saying I'd rather have a quarterback that takes some chances then a guy who holds on to the ball. Honestly, they both are terrible. JL could hit wr's in the hands sometimes and JJ is always below and behind.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:45 pm to Jcorye1
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JJ is always below and behind.
Unless its a bubble screen to the WR then he can't hit them at all.
I'm all for Jefferson starting if that's what Miles believes is best, but if we still have a sack fest after two games this year Lee needs his shot. He has a higher ceiling as a QB he just needs to fix it between the ears.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:45 pm to Jcorye1
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J is always below and behind.
The pass that fricked up LaFell against Arkansas had me screaming at my TV. He really left him vulnerable on that one.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:47 pm to arobbi3
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but if we still have a sack fest after two games this year
Since our OL is iffy at best and our first game is against the best front 7 in the NCAA, maybe you should consider expanding that window a bit.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:50 pm to chilge1
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our first game is against the best front 7 in the NCAA, maybe you should consider expanding that window a bit.
I realize we are playing a great defense, but coaches gameplan for a reason, up to the players to execute.
Ehh maybe you're right I mean hell as long as Jefferson doesn't throw a pick 6 in either game and moves the offense occasionally he should stay in right?
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:54 pm to arobbi3
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Ehh maybe you're right I mean hell as long as Jefferson doesn't throw a pick 6 in either game and moves the offense occasionally he should stay in right?
Maybe you should read the entire thread before assuming that I'm on side or the other in the QB debate. All I'm saying is that it's stupid to make such profound statements on the basis of the first game of the season against what is supposedly the most intense pressure he's going to face all season.
Posted on 6/17/10 at 12:57 pm to Smitty55
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I dont get it.
It comes with the territory.
The LSU QB position and the LSU coach position are the 2 most scrutinized jobs in the state of Louisiana. You can win 5 games in a row and it's ho-hum, but lose the 6th and watch the sparks fly. Hell, if you don't win the 1st 5 by an acceptable number of points, those sparks already have the ground cover smoking.
JJ is getting no different treatment than Lee did in 08 and has gotten better treatment than some QBs have in our history.
Right or wrong, it is what it is. imo
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:01 pm to chilge1
u guys r stupid. it comes down to the lesser of to evils . i would have a sack on third and still be in the game than giving the defense points. also ur right all of the int were not his fault. but he through 17 of them. so when does it start being his problem
Posted on 6/17/10 at 1:04 pm to Smitty55
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it comes down to the lesser of to evils . i would have a sack on third and still be in the game than giving the defense points.
Lesser of Two Evils:
Scoring 30 points and racking up 400 yards of offense but giving up 6 points early
OR
Scoring 20 points and racking up 250 yards of offense and punting 8 times a game
Scenario 1: Net gain of +24 points
Scenario 2: Net gain of +20 points
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