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re: Would Johnny F'in Fotball be a QB on LSU?
Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:23 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:23 pm to boxcar willie
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because if they are so similar in talent, right? If only Russell Shepard had gone to A&M he would have won the Heisman as a QB, right? He is just as good a QB as Manzeil, right?
Shep was HIGHLY.....HIGHLY....rated coming out of highschool, yet I had trouble believing he was even still playing this year. He was NEVER utilized properly.
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Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:24 pm to dcrews
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Stating harsh realities/facts = being a negatiger
the harsh reality is we will never know the fricking answer to this question because JFF never came to LSU.
It's all speculation and people taking cheap shots at the staff.
lame
This post was edited on 1/4/13 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:25 pm to boxcar willie
If he came to LSU and lit it up in practice anywhere near like what he does in games, he would have started at LSU. I'm pretty sure he looks good in scrimmages and practices and just doesn't turn on a switch for the games. If he sucked at QB in practices and scrimmages, like Shepard, then he probably would not have stayed at QB. Miles has shown from past history (remember a guy named Jefferson, wasn't that long ago) that he will play a QB who isn't just a stationary drop back QB.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:26 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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the harsh reality is we will never know the fricking answer to this question because JFF never came to LSU.
It's all speculation and people taking cheap shots at the staff.
gay
My statement was more of a commentary on people who bash anyone who says anything that's not 100% positive about LSU even if it's 100% true.
I equate people calling other people "negatigers" to children who stick their fingers in their ears screaming "la la la la la la, can't hear you!" to rational thought.
straight
This post was edited on 1/4/13 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:28 pm to dcrews
I hear you, true,
Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:29 pm to dcrews
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Shep was HIGHLY.....HIGHLY....rated coming out of highschool
so what
quote:
I had trouble believing he was even still playing this year.
I did also, probably for different reasons from you though
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He was NEVER utilized properly.
yes just never got a chance at all to show his awesome talent. NFL will see his talent and make him a early draft pick where he will be a pro bowl QB or RB or WR.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:34 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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I hear you, true,
They need a "smiley" that's toasting mugs of mountain dew. I can't stand beer.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
For anyone that says yes, keep in mind that all RG3 wanted was a guarantee that he'd get a CHANCE to play QB and he would've come to LSU, but the staff would not even give him that.
This is not an indictment one way or the other on the staff's recruiting and evaluation, but rather a statement on how they have traditionally treated that type of athlete at the quarterback position.
This is not an indictment one way or the other on the staff's recruiting and evaluation, but rather a statement on how they have traditionally treated that type of athlete at the quarterback position.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
Doesn't have a big "chest", so he would be an all-sec db
Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ofcourse not!
Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not a chance. His hands are too small to grip the ball.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 9:59 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Sure, there is no way to evaluate the hypothetical, but some coaches have a knack for developing QBs. For whatever reason, Miles does not.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
all these great college qbs would be converted elsewhere or never even see the field.. and it's becoming disgusting.
i truly hope to see jennings over rettig. (sp?)
i truly hope to see jennings over rettig. (sp?)
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
SlowFlowTrollPro
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
With 5 years of predominantly mediocre play from the QB position, I question this staff's ability to judge talent for the QB position. Lee was decent for the first half of last season and Mett was terrific against Alabama this year, but on the whole the QB play has been sub-par.
We've won in spite of our QB play which says more about the rest of the team, but as we saw in the NCG against 'Bama, you won't win a championship without decent play from the QB position.
That's not taking a cheap shot, that is a statement of fact. I think 5 years of mediocre QB play gives people the right to question this staff's talent evaluation for the QB position and the staff's philosophy on offense.
5 years...and counting
We've won in spite of our QB play which says more about the rest of the team, but as we saw in the NCG against 'Bama, you won't win a championship without decent play from the QB position.
That's not taking a cheap shot, that is a statement of fact. I think 5 years of mediocre QB play gives people the right to question this staff's talent evaluation for the QB position and the staff's philosophy on offense.
5 years...and counting
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
JFF, my 3rd cousin, his Grandfather told me at Christmas, that JFF sent LSU film, and they rejected him. I remember a few years ago, LSU was in on him, but cooled, while Oregon and ATM were hot on his trail.
RG3 grew up a bit of an LSU fan, JFF grew up a LSU and Texas fan, Teddy Bridgewater was probably a Cane fan?
RG3 grew up a bit of an LSU fan, JFF grew up a LSU and Texas fan, Teddy Bridgewater was probably a Cane fan?
This post was edited on 1/4/13 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:29 pm to West MonroeTiger fan
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With 5 years of predominantly mediocre play from the QB position, I question this staff's ability to judge talent for the QB position
yeah the chicken/egg argument is whether they have issues recruiting QBs or developing QBs
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Would Johnny F'in Fotball be a QB on LSU?
Nope.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yeah the chicken/egg argument is whether they have issues recruiting QBs or developing QBs
It is definitely both.
We're talking 8 years here.
There's no other explanation. The kids out there having more success in that time span are doing it as early as their redshirt freshman season.
There's just no way to sugar coat it anymore.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:02 pm to wahoocs
The answer to this question is NO WAY would he be playing QB for us with Mett on the roster. Miles is in love with the big QB. Just look back at the JaMarcus Brooks/Matt Flynn situation. Flynn was always the better QB, but Miles loves that big armed monster back there slinging the rock for him. JF would be a slot receiver or a CB/S on our team.
Recruiting sick talent is 1 thing Miles can do. He gets the horses. Problem is, once he gets them he doesn't always know what to do with them - Shep and T. Holliday. Once he saw Shep couldn't be an effective thrower and had hands of stone he should have made him a DB. Instead of pigeon holing Holliday into a special teams guy only, he should have made him a slot or Percy Harvin role.
Coaches are supposed to see guys and put them in the best spot to help the team be productive to win. Evaluate talent and mold his system/gameplans to the talent that he has to be successful. Miles is incapable of this.
One last question - Who was the last OLman to be a successful OCoordinator? This is not a knock on Stud. My point is, lineman line up and slam heads all game, very little thought to the position other than a blocking assignment. Miles is a lineman. Our OC is a line coach. Most successful OC's are former QB's. Know why? You have to process information very very fast to be successful as a OC. OC's have to be highly intelligent people. You have to react on the fly. You need to adjust from play to play, series to series, run this play to set one up in the 3rd quarter. You need continuity. You need 1 thought process. Miles doesn't belong anywhere near the offense. He should learn how to manage the clock and learn how to use his timeouts and get the hell out of the way.
If and only if this happens, we will once again rise to the top of the SEC.
Recruiting sick talent is 1 thing Miles can do. He gets the horses. Problem is, once he gets them he doesn't always know what to do with them - Shep and T. Holliday. Once he saw Shep couldn't be an effective thrower and had hands of stone he should have made him a DB. Instead of pigeon holing Holliday into a special teams guy only, he should have made him a slot or Percy Harvin role.
Coaches are supposed to see guys and put them in the best spot to help the team be productive to win. Evaluate talent and mold his system/gameplans to the talent that he has to be successful. Miles is incapable of this.
One last question - Who was the last OLman to be a successful OCoordinator? This is not a knock on Stud. My point is, lineman line up and slam heads all game, very little thought to the position other than a blocking assignment. Miles is a lineman. Our OC is a line coach. Most successful OC's are former QB's. Know why? You have to process information very very fast to be successful as a OC. OC's have to be highly intelligent people. You have to react on the fly. You need to adjust from play to play, series to series, run this play to set one up in the 3rd quarter. You need continuity. You need 1 thought process. Miles doesn't belong anywhere near the offense. He should learn how to manage the clock and learn how to use his timeouts and get the hell out of the way.
If and only if this happens, we will once again rise to the top of the SEC.
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