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re: Will Dinardo ever be recognized at game?
Posted on 4/8/13 at 7:58 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 4/8/13 at 7:58 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The 1997 UF upset was the one of the greatest games ever played in T.S.
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Posted on 4/8/13 at 9:40 pm to LSUwag
Coach Dinardo should of recruited the guy who caught Foster
Posted on 4/8/13 at 10:06 pm to BilJ
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DiNardo laid the foundation for which Saban built the house on.
Probably true. What Saban did better than anyone before was to combine solid recruiting with great fundraising. Having Skip Bertman behind him didn't hurt in the latter category either. Saban has had the great fortune (or perhaps foresight) to step into situations where the program and its supporters were receptive.
Posted on 4/8/13 at 10:49 pm to foshizzle
Posted on 4/8/13 at 11:02 pm to therick711
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With one conference game left, LSU is 0-7 in the SEC, has lost 14 of their last 15 league games
Damn, how veryyyyyyyyyy far we have come.
Posted on 4/8/13 at 11:18 pm to SouthOfSouth
quote:Posted just the 4th 10-win season in school history (at the time), won bowls in three consecutive seasons (a school record at the time, I believe), recruited some of the best known stars in program history (Kevin Faulk, Herb Tyler, Chad Lavalais, Rohan Davey, Bradie James, Trev Faulk, Dominick Davis, LeBrandon Toefield, Josh Reed, Tommy Banks, etc.), turned around a culture of losing to end 6 straight losing seasons, defeated #5 Auburn in a spectacular "Bring Back the Magic Game" that literally turned Tiger Stadium back into "TIGER STADIUM", . . . I'm sure there are others, but those are a few off the top of my head.
is there some other impressive feat he accomplished during that time?
I've always believed that DiNardo needed to go (maybe even before he did), but there is no doubt in my mind that he saved LSU football. If we'd had another Hallman and suffered 4 more losing seasons, we would have become another Ole Miss, or maybe even Tulane. It was that bad.
I remember less than 50,000 people in the stadium for an SEC game (reported attendance claimed 54k, but I was there and we knew there were not 50,000 people in that stadium). For three years DiNardo kept the attendance up around 78K-79K+ in a stadium that didn't even seat 80,000, and even in the bad seasons of '98 and '99 it didn't drop below 76K. The excitement came back for three years, and it kept the energy of the program alive enough to last through a couple of more losing seasons (which he did bring) to make it to the modern (Saban/Miles) era.
I'd like to see him honored at a game.
Posted on 4/8/13 at 11:19 pm to LaBR4
quote:That would TOTALLY work for me!
In 2015.
20 year anniversary of "Bring back the Magic" at of course...the Auburn game.
Posted on 4/8/13 at 11:21 pm to SouthOfSouth
quote:Neither 4-7 nor 3-8 (or 2-8, if you prefer) is worse than 2-9.
As soon as the team was all his recruits he went down hill to a record worse than before he came to LSU...
Posted on 4/8/13 at 11:34 pm to SouthOfSouth
quote:Well, how about the top 5-10 coaches in LSU's history? All time, he's 7th in wins, tied for 3rd (with Saban) for bowl wins, and tied for 5th in bowl appearances. And he's 10th in winning percentage since the Great Depression.
I guess I just don't like the idea of recognizing every coach just because they coached.
Even without the context of the shambles he was rescuing, his tenure was among the more successful at LSU. And considering what came before him and what he laid the groundwork for after him, I think recognizing his contributions at a game is appropriate. I mean, it's not like we're talking about building a statue of him or naming anything after him. Hell, we recognize people at games all the time. It would be silly for us not to include him in a 20th anniversary celebration of that '97 Florida game (or the '95 Auburn game).
Hell, Arnsparger had a worse damage to contribution ratio than DiNardo had (for bailing after three years, inflicting Mike Archer on us when we should have been hiring Spurrier, and then taking over at Florida and hiring Spurrier himself
) Posted on 4/9/13 at 12:08 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:We already know he couldn't. The Michigan State team he took over in '95 was arguably not in any worse condition than the LSU program DiNardo took over in '95. LSU was coming off 6 straight losing seasons, Michigan State was coming off 1 straight losing season (granted, it was 0-11, but it was still just one horrible season). They had been to a bowl just two years before, we hadn't been to a bowl in 7 years. Their last coach was just 4 years removed from a Big Ten Championship (1990), our last coach had 4 losing seasons in 4 years.
I'm not sure Saban could have done what he did here with out the turn around under DiNardo.
But, the real point is what would Saban have been handed if DiNardo had in fact been another Hallman (and assuming he had similarly been fired after 4 seasons): 10 straight years of losing seasons. 10 straight years without a bowl game. 11 straight years without a bowl win. 10 straight years without being ranked. And 4 more years of declining attendance that had already fallen from an average of 77,334 in '88 to 60,535 in '93. And even after a brief boost from a "big" 75k+ home opener crowd, the attendance in '94 only averaged about 65k and had dropped off to 51,710 by the last home game against USM. Four more years of losing seasons and our average attendance would almost certainly have dropped into the low 50k's, probably even the 40k's and maybe worse. Saban would almost certainly have not even taken an "opportunity" like that.
So yes, had DiNardo not brought the improvement he did, we would almost certainly not be anywhere close to where we are now. We would be another Ole Miss or maybe South Carolina, hoping against hope that we can catch lightning in a bottle with a miracle hire that can finally get us to the SEC Championship Game, where we lose by 5 TDs.
Posted on 4/9/13 at 12:12 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:All true. Joe Dean would never have allowed a coach to pay assistants what Saban and Miles paid and pay their staffs (much less pay the head coaches what Saban and Miles make). The commitment from the new administration to spend money on the football program, from facilities to coaches, was crucial to getting Saban here and allowing him to build what he built. And that commitment would have been a hard sell if it hadn't been for the rejuvenating effect of the DiNardo years.
The thing I think a lot of people miss from that era is that Joe Dean ran the AD on a tight budget and it hurt the FB program. You can not compete at the highest level being cheap. We hired Gerry in the first place because Joe Dean was cheap. A guy like Saban would never have taken the LSU job without a commitment from Emmert that we should spend the money on the program.
Remember, DiNardo's success is what build the first new Upper Deck.
Posted on 4/9/13 at 12:18 am to nitwit
quote:Wow, you are an idiot. You expect people to be grateful for the worst parts of a man's performance? How incredibly stupid of you. When people are grateful to Saban, do you assume it is for his 13-10 loss to UAB, getting skull-drug by Georgia in '04, Florida in '01, Auburn AND Florida in '00, and Auburn AND Bama AND Texas in '02? Do you think that's crazy?
Which of those incidents are you most grateful for, Project?
How about people being grateful for a 10-2 season, 3 straight bowl wins and beautiful upset in one of the greatest games (possibly THE greatest game) in Tiger Stadium history? Do you have a problem with people being grateful for that?
Posted on 4/9/13 at 12:24 am to King Joey
His name should be used as a honorary sauce. Saban would never have opened a restaurant in year two.
Posted on 4/9/13 at 12:28 am to King Joey
While I don't necessarily think Dinardo should be recognized it definitely wouldn't be a stretch to do so based on what he did for the program. I remember not being able to give tickets away during the latter Hallman (when I became a season ticket holder)and Dinardo years if you included beer money. A lot of the fans that only witnessed the Saban/Miles years are spoiled and have unrealistic expectations. Its one thing to expect to challenge for NCs and SECs every year but wanting to fire Miles is absurd. Aside from his latter years that's like FSU fans calling for Bowden's (or similar coach) head every year.
Posted on 4/9/13 at 12:30 am to King Joey
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defeated #5 Auburn in a spectacular "Bring Back the Magic Game" that literally turned Tiger Stadium back into "TIGER STADIUM",
At a certain point, during one of the UF beatdowns, it occured to me we had become Wyoming, the homecoming game everyone wanted. This was not the LSU I grew up with in the late 60's, 70's and 80's. Coach Dinardo deserves mention for reminding the fans of what we are supposed to be. IMO
to Coach.
Posted on 4/9/13 at 2:55 am to biglego
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If we honor Dinardo for the 1997 Florida game, should we also honor Hallman for the Alabama pigs fly win?
I think it's silly to recognize a team for a win in a single game--a BCS championship game win might be good to acknowledge, but definitely not a regular season game.
For what it's worth, DiNardo did win the 1996 and '97 SEC West co-titles (albeit as a second seed--but still a much, much better finish than anything in the 7 seasons prior!). Also, don't forget that Mike Archer has been back to be recognized with a champion team's reunion and was cheered.
Posted on 4/9/13 at 6:58 am to Draconian Sanctions
No he shouldn't be recognized. Outside of the UF game, his tenure here was not very good.
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