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re: Why doesn't Romero start at catcher?
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:12 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:12 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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Nope.
SBA%
Papierski .650 (26/40)
Romero .714 (10/14)
Those numbers are pretty close. If Robertson had not have dropped one a few weeks back Romero would be 9/14. Romero's arm is equally as strong as Pap's. He has a gun.
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Wild Pitches while catching
Not sure where you are going here.
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:22 pm to Kim Jong Ir
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Not sure where you are going here.
Just showing the numbers. Pass balls are equal at 1 a piece. Trying to separate them.
Yes I know that wild pitches go against the pitcher not the catcher, but plenty of wild pitches could have been caught.
Taking out Lange, whom Romero has not caught for, it's even at 13 with Paps catching around double the amount of games.
Papierski is a better defensive catcher.
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:26 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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Taking out Lange, whom Romero has not caught for,
Didn't Romero catch for Lange when Coach yanked Pap in Auburn game 1 because he was struggling blocking Lange's pitches in the dirt?
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Papierski is a better defensive catcher.
I don't think I've ever said different, but is it worth 80 points in BA?
This post was edited on 4/17/16 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:36 pm to Broham
I definitely like Pap. He is a great defensive catcher. In a game of give and take, I think Romero's offensive production far outweighs a slight defensive advantage Pap has behind the plate. Romero went in to catch Lange against Auburn and did fine. He went in because pap got pulled for passed balls. I thought that was the moment Romero became the starter. Then he doesn't catch again until Mizzou. And look what happens when he catches. He rapes baseballs.
The stigma with Romero is that he really has been below average when in at DH but stellar when catching. Our entire lineup looks better when Romero is in the lineup. It just seems like everyone is able to perform well when they lineup is actually set up with the "next man up" approach. If fraley doesn't get the guy in, Deichmann will. If not deichmann, Beau will. And if Beau doesn't PAPIERSKI / [ROMERO] will. Sorry it's the truth, and the truth is that Bryce is killing it at DH, Romero kills it when catching, Pap can't do dick offensively besides lay a bunt. Pap is the odd man out and he should be. Don't keep him off the field completely. I just think the roles should switch. Pap should get a start every fourth game. Mainieri keeps his bench players fed and wanting more.
oh, and:
The stigma with Romero is that he really has been below average when in at DH but stellar when catching. Our entire lineup looks better when Romero is in the lineup. It just seems like everyone is able to perform well when they lineup is actually set up with the "next man up" approach. If fraley doesn't get the guy in, Deichmann will. If not deichmann, Beau will. And if Beau doesn't PAPIERSKI / [ROMERO] will. Sorry it's the truth, and the truth is that Bryce is killing it at DH, Romero kills it when catching, Pap can't do dick offensively besides lay a bunt. Pap is the odd man out and he should be. Don't keep him off the field completely. I just think the roles should switch. Pap should get a start every fourth game. Mainieri keeps his bench players fed and wanting more.
oh, and:
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:43 pm to Kim Jong Ir
You're right Romero caught 2.2 innings that game. Missed that one.
Really, I'm just trying to justify my stance on the "We don't need to bench Papierski immediately" side. The on base %'s are only 30 points different. I believe both should be used, with Romero catching every weekday and Sunday.
I wish Romero could perform better as a DH, but he just can't seem to get hits when he isn't catching.
Really, I'm just trying to justify my stance on the "We don't need to bench Papierski immediately" side. The on base %'s are only 30 points different. I believe both should be used, with Romero catching every weekday and Sunday.
I wish Romero could perform better as a DH, but he just can't seem to get hits when he isn't catching.
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:47 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
quote:But then what do you do with Deichmann and Bryce J?
I wish Romero could perform better as a DH
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:52 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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You're right Romero caught 2.2 innings that game. Missed that one.
I just remember because I was there.
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Really, I'm just trying to justify my stance on the "We don't need to bench Papierski immediately" side. The on base %'s are only 30 points different. I believe both should be used, with Romero catching every weekday and Sunday.
I am not saying that Pap should not play. I think Romero should catch 2 of 3 games in weekend series until Pap can hit better than .250. "Only" 30 points different in OB% is nothing compared to the BA and RBI #s which are not even close.
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I wish Romero could perform better as a DH, but he just can't seem to get hits when he isn't catching.
It appears as though Romero hits much better when he catches. I agree that it would be great if he could hit as well when DHing. But again, no matter how good you are defensively, you need to hit better than .231 to play.
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:55 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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Really, I'm just trying to justify my stance on the "We don't need to bench Papierski immediately" side
I've been trying to justify it forever too. But with Bryce, Greg, and Romero looking good in the roles we saw today I just think we have to roll with that. A benching doesn't mean they won't get playing time and especially at catcher. And sure OBP is good but there is a difference between taking a walk with a man on second and two outs vs mashing a single in the gap to score.
I think everyone sees the potential in pap and that's exactly why paul sticks with him. Look at Deichmann. Dude was struggling hard and turned it around without paul benching him. But i just think at this time it is what it is. Call a spade a spade and do what's best for THIS team THIS year in 2016.
Posted on 4/17/16 at 10:07 pm to Jockamo
Alright. Y'all have convinced me. Plus Romero is a former Catholic Bear. Good things happen when there's a CHS guy getting playing time.
Plus my roommate just pointed out W-L for each guy starting at catcher.
Papierski 16-10
Romero 9-1
Plus my roommate just pointed out W-L for each guy starting at catcher.
Papierski 16-10
Romero 9-1
Posted on 4/17/16 at 10:43 pm to Choupique19
Then don't play him against lefties. Problem solved.
Posted on 4/17/16 at 11:18 pm to manbearpig_
Pulmonary doesn't like players who can drive the ball if he could slap bunt he'd start
Posted on 4/18/16 at 12:01 am to KamaCausey_LSU
Can't go wrong with a Bear in the lineup. I'm biased though.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:55 am to ell_13
Even if Romero batted 220 he's a better option because he puts the ball over the fence
He has limited at bats yet leads in homers.. Can always use a big bopper.
Pap seriously struggles so bad at the plate when he comes to bat it feels like an automatic out.
That's just my opinion.
I feel the coach probably does value Pap as just a better defensive catcher or more durable behind the plate.. Who knows.
He has limited at bats yet leads in homers.. Can always use a big bopper.
Pap seriously struggles so bad at the plate when he comes to bat it feels like an automatic out.
That's just my opinion.
I feel the coach probably does value Pap as just a better defensive catcher or more durable behind the plate.. Who knows.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:02 am to ell_13
Deichmann has the ability to put the ball over the fence as well so I was okay with letting him work it out.
Pap might show the ability in BP, but nothing has shown he can do it here and there in the game and he struggles so mightily with hitting in general.
I will say that Romero has been through some nasty injuries and even surgery on his knees or legs.. I'm not sure which is was. But to a point he wasn't sure he'd be able to play at a high level. While he has bounced back, I still wonder if durability is a concern as to why he doesn't start more.
Pap might show the ability in BP, but nothing has shown he can do it here and there in the game and he struggles so mightily with hitting in general.
I will say that Romero has been through some nasty injuries and even surgery on his knees or legs.. I'm not sure which is was. But to a point he wasn't sure he'd be able to play at a high level. While he has bounced back, I still wonder if durability is a concern as to why he doesn't start more.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 6:38 am to Jack Daniel
Fify
Sorry but I had to...
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Les always has that one guy every year that he continues to play regularly, regardless of lack of production.
Sorry but I had to...
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 6:38 am
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:53 am to beauchristopher
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Romero’s four-hit game came after a week of refining his swing mechanics when inconsistent batting practices troubled him and Mainieri. He focused on staying through the middle in his swing instead of pulling off early.
From The Advocate this morning.
LINK
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:13 pm to Kim Jong Ir
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Ask any hitter and they will tell you that they need to get into a rhythm by getting PT. Of course Romero's BA might drop if he plays C regularly, but it also might rise. I think he's earned the opportunity for us to find out. There is also the intangible of leadership. I get the feeling that Romero has earned the respect of the team with his hard work and blue collar approach.
I don't disagree. Also, Pap has been struggling to block the curve balls in the dirt. It seems like that used to be his strength.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 11:24 pm to ell_13
That was a good thread.
I don't think Romero's shoulder, which is less than 100%, will allow him to catch on an every game basis. We need his bat in the lineup though and he should be the DH when he is not catching.
I don't think Romero's shoulder, which is less than 100%, will allow him to catch on an every game basis. We need his bat in the lineup though and he should be the DH when he is not catching.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 11:27 pm
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