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re: Why do people on this board think they know better than the coaching staff?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:57 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:57 pm to TigerBait1127
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PP7 as a punt returner comes to mind.
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Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:58 pm to 337Tiger19
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:58 pm to therick711
I wonder what ole rick does for a living?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:01 pm to 337Tiger19
I witnessed the end of 2011 season. That's reason enough for me.
I know when to call a timeout. In every situation.
I know when and where the blitz is coming on certain packages because we run the same play each time.
So based on that it shows our million dollar coaches need some improvement.
I know when to call a timeout. In every situation.
I know when and where the blitz is coming on certain packages because we run the same play each time.
So based on that it shows our million dollar coaches need some improvement.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:01 pm to josh336
Younsee it live all the time when coaches make boneheaded decisions in crunch time, like ours
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Alabama's coach and the Ole Miss coach say hello. So does Bobby Petrino.
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Alabama's coach and the Ole Miss coach say hello. So does Bobby Petrino.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:02 pm to therick711
quote:that's not what I said.
Just because information may be asymmetrical doesn't mean the coach is always right
quote:nope. but in regards to play calling, fan criticism is pretty much absurd. it's way, way more complicated than any fan has the ability to effectively process better than an entire staff of coaches. moreover, there is an art vs science aspect to playcalling. even if a fan was a supergenius and could understand the history of playcalling better than the staff, there's no guarantee they could artfully call an entire season's worth of games with any success whatsoever.
More information still doesn't guarantee an optimal decision
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:04 pm to LSUANDY25
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I wonder what ole rick does for a living?
I'm actually a coach. That's how you know you can trust I am always right.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:05 pm to 337Tiger19
People have opinions man.
I trust the coaching staff, but there are times they can lean partial to a player and well hey we can be partial to another.. It's all opinions.
I trust the coaching staff, but there are times they can lean partial to a player and well hey we can be partial to another.. It's all opinions.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:06 pm to josh336
quote:this is precisely the absurdity I'm referring to.
coaches make boneheaded decisions in crunch time, like ours
first, define "crunch time." this is the oversimplification. every part of every game is important.
second, miles has made tons more "right" calls than "wrong" in end of half situations. that's if you can even call plays right or wrong. it's more about success than rightness.
third, miles is nearly legendary in the sec in terms of his accomplishments in the most competitive era of sec football. yet, he is wrongly characterized as being a buffoon by myopic fans.
name 5 boneheaded calls miles has made in 9 seasons.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:08 pm to bfniii
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nope. but in regards to play calling, fan criticism is pretty much absurd. it's way, way more complicated than any fan has the ability to effectively process better than an entire staff of coaches. moreover, there is an art vs science aspect to playcalling. even if a fan was a supergenius and could understand the history of playcalling better than the staff, there's no guarantee they could artfully call an entire season's worth of games with any success whatsoever.
Play calling is a good example. While you are right in many respects (though clearly I disagree that no lay person could understand it better than those on a staff), it would be fair criticism on 4 and one from the opponents 45 in the first quarter of a tie game, if someone said, for instance, I can't believe we threw it into the endzone when we should have just run it up the middle. Our running back had 40 yards, averaged about 5 yards a carry on that drive, and was unstoppable.
It depends on degree. It isn't always about whether we should have swap blocked something or trapped, sometimes it is about general things that any person can see, no?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:09 pm to therick711
quote:more myopia. miles having to decide between the lesser of 2 evils has somehow made him a doofus despite all his accomplishments in his tenure at lsu.
Actually, according to the Tigerdroppings corollary, since a Coach made that decision we can infer four things 1) It was unabashedly the correct decision because; 2) The coach knows the most; 3) The decision is above reproach unless you are a coach of equal or greater stature; and 4) No other insight would have been helpful in reaching that decision.
why no acknowledgement of all the games he won with 2 average qbs?
I don't care who is under center, when your veteran and talented oline is playing like crap, ncg vs bama, you're not going to be successful. the fact that the defense held them to 21 points is nearly miraculous.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:11 pm to bfniii
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why no acknowledgement of all the games he won with 2 average qbs?
I don't care who is under center, when your veteran and talented oline is playing like crap, ncg vs bama, you're not going to be successful. the fact that the defense held them to 21 points is nearly miraculous.
All true. Unfortunately, we aren't allowed any opinion other than it was unabashedly the correct decision because he knows the most. That's what this thread is about. Locking out dissent because of a rule that is silly. Your defense of it is silly. We aren't allowed a shade of gray. Just acknowledging his achievement isn't enough. The rule is he knows the best and was completely correct. That's the heart of the issue.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:11 pm to Tigercoop40
quote:textbook fan hindsight without any substantiation. it's not always about who is more talented and even when it is, players are sometimes better in practice than in games.
Rashard Robinson over Jalen Mills at CB last year.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:15 pm to bfniii
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it's not always about who is more talented and even when it is, players are sometimes better in practice than in games.
Let me first say I appreciate this discussion with you. With that out of the way, we have to distinguish between conditions that make a correct decision more challenging, and those that make a seemingly incorrect decision a correct one. This example is the former. Robinson was the right call when inserted into the lineup (with due regard for him needing to be coached up, let's assume the trigger was pulled on him at the optimum time). It would have been an incorrect decision if, when inserted, he was terrible. So there are some fine differences.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:16 pm to therick711
quote:nothing I have said disputes this and I don't understand why you haven't picked up on that. you're conflating comparing coaches to coaches with comparing coaches to fans.
decisions can be made, get this, without considering all or even any information
coaches vs fans - absurd. fan knows essentially nothing.
coaches vs coaches - miles is one of the all time best sec and lsu coaches. criticizing a relative handful of situations in his career is plain ignorant. myopia and personality deficiencies cause fans to oversimplify
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:17 pm to 337Tiger19
Inflated sense of self and a keyboard.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:18 pm to Clark W Griswold
quote:this is a quintessential case making my point. fans have basically no idea what is going on but think they do. gross oversimplification not considering even a fraction of the variables I have listed.
I know when to call a timeout. In every situation. I know when and where the blitz is coming on certain packages because we run the same play each time. So based on that it shows our million dollar coaches need some improvement.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:21 pm to therick711
No one is saying that with all the decisions that a coach has to make that he doesnt make bad ones. Sometimes really bad. Clearly they do and many fans can point these out at the exact time they occur. They are not above criticism... hell if u did that you'd have to shut this board down. Criticism is always around for coaches, sometimes they go back 10 years to find something to criticize. even at your last job in a different state.
Some is deserved, most is not.
If any one would look around they'd see for all the bone headed decisions Miles has made other coaches are making more, way more.
Other than the little squirt, who certainly has made his fair share on and off the field, who's doing better?
The point the OP is making is this..............
you do not know more than the coaches when it comes to LSU football. You can sit there and think u have the higher IQ if it makes u feel good. But u still dont know shite compared to them. Theyve forgotten more than u know. Night and day even for a coach like rick.
The Dr. asked the Farmer to teach him how to farm.
The farmer said sure thing but get here real early in the morning because when im done, i want u to teach me how to be a Dr.
Some is deserved, most is not.
If any one would look around they'd see for all the bone headed decisions Miles has made other coaches are making more, way more.
Other than the little squirt, who certainly has made his fair share on and off the field, who's doing better?
The point the OP is making is this..............
you do not know more than the coaches when it comes to LSU football. You can sit there and think u have the higher IQ if it makes u feel good. But u still dont know shite compared to them. Theyve forgotten more than u know. Night and day even for a coach like rick.
The Dr. asked the Farmer to teach him how to farm.
The farmer said sure thing but get here real early in the morning because when im done, i want u to teach me how to be a Dr.
This post was edited on 7/18/14 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:22 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm
quote:but a fan's opinion doesn't have a fraction of the information necessary to make any sort of reasonable judgment in comparison to the coaches. imagine someone reading your posts and then trying to write an authoritative biography on your entire life. that's what fans do when they criticize the playcalling.
It's all opinions.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 2:25 pm to LSU=Champions
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Marcus Randall or Jamarcus Russell anyone?
To be fair, Jamarcus wasn't that great early in his career.
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