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What Kind of Offense Did LSU Run With Harris?
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:28 am
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:28 am
Besides effective and good, I mean.
Harris was in the shotgun running sweeps and handing it off to backs from there. He was rolling out and passing. It seems like we were spreading out the defense and were passing more on early downs (save his first drive).
It looked like a very different offense scheme-wise and we scored 7 straight TDs.
Is Harris' problem that he does not yet run well the offense that Les prefers? Was the offense last night tailored to what Harris can do and Les is convinced that this offense will not work in SEC play?
Harris was in the shotgun running sweeps and handing it off to backs from there. He was rolling out and passing. It seems like we were spreading out the defense and were passing more on early downs (save his first drive).
It looked like a very different offense scheme-wise and we scored 7 straight TDs.
Is Harris' problem that he does not yet run well the offense that Les prefers? Was the offense last night tailored to what Harris can do and Les is convinced that this offense will not work in SEC play?
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:30 am to AlaTiger
He ran from every set that Jennings had been in, the difference was the execution.
We had a defined rhythm and clear leader on the field who knew what he was going to do with the ball.
The opposing defense can't pin it's ears back when you have a guy who can rope a pass 35 yards like it's a dart.
We had a defined rhythm and clear leader on the field who knew what he was going to do with the ball.
The opposing defense can't pin it's ears back when you have a guy who can rope a pass 35 yards like it's a dart.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:31 am to AlaTiger
it was LSU's offense, it was just run much more efficiently. there was a whole lot of check with me, understandable with a young QB.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:33 am to L S Usetheforce
It seems like Jennings lines up under center with the I-Form/2 TE/1 WR set A LOT. That seems to be Miles' preference. I do not recall Harris being in that set much except for the first drive (which I did not see all of but was following on the radio). So, he might have started that way. By the 3rd qtr, it was shotgun and rollouts.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:34 am to AlaTiger
He ran the same...the difference was his execution and legit passing threat with the ability to throw on the run accurately forced the defense not to be able to stack the box which opens up the running lanes...
The intangible with Harris he has the "it" factor...the teams just plays with more confidence with him in there...also Harris is confident in his ability to lead this team...
The intangible with Harris he has the "it" factor...the teams just plays with more confidence with him in there...also Harris is confident in his ability to lead this team...
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:34 am to L S Usetheforce
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the difference was the execution
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:40 am to AlaTiger
We ran alot more spread style offense with him in the game, especially when we were running the hurry up. He ran the ball much more effectively out of the formation too.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:45 am to LSURulzSEC
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The intangible with Harris he has the "it" factor...the teams just plays with more confidence with him in there...also Harris is confident in his ability to lead this team...
Yep.
That said, I still think Jennings can be a good QB eventually. He just plays too tentative/stiff at times (not as fluid/ natural as Harris has looked in the last 2 gms) , but he's got the talent. People forget he's no seasoned veteran yet himself. But it definitely appears AS OF NOW that Harris is better able to "turn it on" and just "GO" earlier in his career development than Jennings.i think it all boils down to a confidence thing...Harris appears to be finding it quicklike, and Jennings hasn't found it yet.
We shall see...it's a fluid situation with these young QBs...one of them, if not both, will get it rolling and should be very good the next 3.5 years. Hopefully both, and that'll eventually be a good problem to have.
I still think this will eventually be a good offense regardless of the QB... We're just not totally there yet with either. It appears as of today we can probably get "there" faster with Harris, but IMO one year from today they'll both be able to lead our offense to success.
Miles is gonna take some heat this year as we get both of these guys slowly broken in, slower than most of us would like, but we'll get there.
This post was edited on 9/28/14 at 7:56 am
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:45 am to Tiger Nation 84
those that say we ran the same offense that we run under Jennings and that it is just the execution couldn't be more wrong. We ran much more spread with Harris in the game and barely ever ran any jumbo sets with him in the game.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:49 am to AlaTiger
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It looked like a very different offense scheme-wise and we scored 7 straight TDs.
It shows that Miles reads my posts on the Rant. "Let Harris run the offense from shot gun"
I feel validated
Posted on 9/28/14 at 7:51 am to boxcar willie
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those that say we ran the same offense that we run under Jennings and that it is just the execution couldn't be more wrong. We ran much more spread with Harris in the game and barely ever ran any jumbo sets with him in the game.
LSU ran the ball 11/12 times on Harris' first drive.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:01 am to RadTiger
Maybe just maybe Miles knows Jennings is more of a game manager. Heavy sets fits his style. Harris is a gunslinger, and what we saw, fits his style. Les is smarter than we think, and understands his QBs more than us.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:10 am to sjmabry
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Maybe just maybe Miles knows Jennings is more of a game manager. Heavy sets fits his style. Harris is a gunslinger, and what we saw, fits his style. Les is smarter than we think, and understands his QBs more than us.
If he seriously thought that Jennings gave us a better chance to win, then he doesn't understand his QBs. Jennings was in the Jumbo set more because he isn't a passing threat so Miles reverted to run heavy formations. That simply shows that Miles knows Jennings' limitations (obvious to even a casual observer), but started him anyway.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:16 am to L S Usetheforce
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He ran from every set that Jennings had been in, the difference was the execution.
We had a defined rhythm and clear leader on the field who knew what he was going to do with the ball.
The opposing defense can't pin it's ears back when you have a guy who can rope a pass 35 yards like it's a dart.
I pointed out earlier in the season that the problem with the OL was quarterbacking. If the timeing is wrong and defense recognition is absent the entire offense is screwed.
It looked like a different team with Harris running the plays.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:21 am to roygu
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It looked like a different team with Harris running the plays.
Well, with a change at QB, and at least 2 changes on the line, it was almost a fourth a new team.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:28 am to L S Usetheforce
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The opposing defense can't pin it's ears back when you have a guy who can rope a pass 35 yards like it's a dart.
Because of his arm, he will turn busted plays in to huge gains. Gonna be exciting to watch.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:28 am to Fabius
Fabius, Miles does understand Jennings limitations, but thought he gave us a better chance to win due to ball security. After that fell through last night, he might as well take his lumps with Harris.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:30 am to boxcar willie
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those that say we ran the same offense that we run under Jennings and that it is just the execution couldn't be more wrong. We ran much more spread with Harris in the game and barely ever ran any jumbo sets with him in the game.
Exactly. Even though they actually ran the ball a lot, it was from a different look. The holes also seemed to "magically" open up. It's not a coincidence that that Jennings' best drive came out of this style of offense.
Harris has earned the chance to start. That said, if LSU goes with its usual condensed, predictable offense against AU next week, then they are going to handcuff Harris just as they have Jennings.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:43 am to sjmabry
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Fabius, Miles does understand Jennings limitations, but thought he gave us a better chance to win due to ball security. After that fell through last night, he might as well take his lumps with Harris.
I agree that is what Miles thought. That is the problem. A limited, predictable offense run by a QB who is not a serious passing threat will struggle, putting more pressure on the QB to make something happen, leading to bad decisions. Last night was going to happen eventually.
Jennings has looked worse each week for a reason. Opposing DCs have seen his limitations and have exploited them. They took away the deep throw to Dural knowing that Jennings couldn't do much else. He couldn't and when he tried he starting throwing into coverage, missing receivers and turning the ball over.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 8:44 am to RadTiger
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LSU ran the ball 11/12 times on Harris' first drive.
From a 3 wide out shotgun formation you tard. Not a Jumbo package 2 TE set. Why can't you people see that?
It was way more spread offense when Harris was in and way less power I.
This post was edited on 9/28/14 at 8:46 am
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