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re: What are your REAL thoughts on the LSU program?
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:52 am to PrattLSU
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:52 am to PrattLSU
quote:So you do not give Miles and company any credit for recruiting top talent? To me recruiting is the most important part of coaching.
But we have been using this excuse every year. We have always has supreme talent...doesn't mean shite if it's not realized
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:52 am to rosiebean
Pratt, I understand why you feel the way you do. I also bleed purple and gold and consider myself the #1 LSU fan. When football season is over, I follow recruiting, Baseball and some Basketball. I read LSU info sites daily...actually multiple times a day.
If you look at record alone, Miles has been awesome, save last year. This includes regular season and bowl records. I think the Ohio State game surprised a lot of people around the country, especially given the fact they scored the first 10 points in the game. We dominated the remainder of that game.
Miles 4th and let's go attitude was one thing that led many fans to love him. Remember how each game was a heart attack game yet he had the guts to continue to press on with these calls?
Last year was horrific for any LSU fan, player or coach. When you combine that with what Miles had done over the past, it felt like an immediate collapse of our program.
Miles made the defensive coach adjustment and while it can be argued our team still bends a bit too far, it hasn't, at this point, shown up on the scoreboard.
Our offense has been better than some would give it credit for this year. It has been worse than others would admit. However, I think it is perfectly clear that some of our playcalling would leave any reasonable person scratching their head. I would like to think I could do a better job than some plays I have seen called....but I can't. I do think there are some out there that could.
The problem Pratt has and I share some of his views stem from a couple of things that seem to be simple:
1. Players still don't know where to line up.
2. Playcalling, such as in the LA Tech game, where we threw 3 straight times on multiple possessions, when Williams was running through the defenders like they weren't on the field.
3. Clock management. Letting the first half run out without calling a timeout when you are on your opponents side of the 50.
These are just a few examples but lead us to believe they could happen again in every game. When you feel like your team is well coached, the possibility to win every game exists. If you feel like your team is not well coached, you feel the possibility to lose every game exists.
I 100% support our team, from players to coaches. This does not mean I feel like everything is on track. I do feel at times that we may have seen our best days under Miles. Let's hope he makes the right decisions at the end of this year.
What are the right decisions? Ask 10 people and you will get 10 different responses. Does that mean a change in some of our staff? Does that mean no change in staff but Miles requiring a different approach than our current scheme? I think, at the very least, a different approach but more likely a change in at least some of our staff.
Regardless, I continue and will continue to support our team.
If you look at record alone, Miles has been awesome, save last year. This includes regular season and bowl records. I think the Ohio State game surprised a lot of people around the country, especially given the fact they scored the first 10 points in the game. We dominated the remainder of that game.
Miles 4th and let's go attitude was one thing that led many fans to love him. Remember how each game was a heart attack game yet he had the guts to continue to press on with these calls?
Last year was horrific for any LSU fan, player or coach. When you combine that with what Miles had done over the past, it felt like an immediate collapse of our program.
Miles made the defensive coach adjustment and while it can be argued our team still bends a bit too far, it hasn't, at this point, shown up on the scoreboard.
Our offense has been better than some would give it credit for this year. It has been worse than others would admit. However, I think it is perfectly clear that some of our playcalling would leave any reasonable person scratching their head. I would like to think I could do a better job than some plays I have seen called....but I can't. I do think there are some out there that could.
The problem Pratt has and I share some of his views stem from a couple of things that seem to be simple:
1. Players still don't know where to line up.
2. Playcalling, such as in the LA Tech game, where we threw 3 straight times on multiple possessions, when Williams was running through the defenders like they weren't on the field.
3. Clock management. Letting the first half run out without calling a timeout when you are on your opponents side of the 50.
These are just a few examples but lead us to believe they could happen again in every game. When you feel like your team is well coached, the possibility to win every game exists. If you feel like your team is not well coached, you feel the possibility to lose every game exists.
I 100% support our team, from players to coaches. This does not mean I feel like everything is on track. I do feel at times that we may have seen our best days under Miles. Let's hope he makes the right decisions at the end of this year.
What are the right decisions? Ask 10 people and you will get 10 different responses. Does that mean a change in some of our staff? Does that mean no change in staff but Miles requiring a different approach than our current scheme? I think, at the very least, a different approach but more likely a change in at least some of our staff.
Regardless, I continue and will continue to support our team.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:53 am to LSU GrandDad
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high school ratings do not automatically translate to college esp since they do not and can not rate intangibles (leadership ability, heart, etc.
This is one thing you really have to give Saban credit for. He seems to be an expert at picking out kids based on how they fit from a skill and personality standpoint. Miles has done a decent, but not great, job at this.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:54 am to Survivor 2010
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Last year was horrific for any LSU fan, player or coach.
you have a high value for what you consider horrific
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:55 am to Rockerbraves
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So you do not give Miles and company any credit for recruiting top talent? To me recruiting is the most important part of coaching.
Of course I give him credit for that. I think it's great. I just sometimes feel like Les is a 90 year old women driving a Ferrari in the left lane.
This post was edited on 11/17/09 at 10:56 am
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:55 am to PrattLSU
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I think we'll be fine through the end of this season and the 2010 season. 9-3 finish this season with a good chance at picking up a 10th win in our bowl game. Then in 2010 we have:
• JJ, Shep, Ridley, Toliver, Randle, D. Peterson, Garrett, Allen, Calhoun, Jasper, Blackwell, Downs, Barksdale, Hebert and other on offense
• Baker, Sheppard, Nevis, P. Peterson, Loston, Mingo, Minter, Montgomery, Agahayere and others on defense
Um ... I think we'll survive with this group on hand.
But we have been using this excuse every year. We have always has supreme talent...doesn't mean shite if it's not realized.
I think this year's experience will pay off big next year for JJ, Shep, Randle, and the remaining memebers of our o-line. I think the same about the remaining members of our defense along with guys like Montgomery, Agahayere and Loston. I think the development of JJ in particular will be huge: 2010 will be the first time we've had a "veteran" QB since 2007. We'll see.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:57 am to TigerPanzer
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2010 will be the first time we've had a "veteran" QB since 2007
I think we will start to see the benefits of paying more attention to the O-Line in recruiting. Now if we can just keep them from transferring when they don't get playing time!
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:59 am to supatigah
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LSU GrandDad
and
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Sacred Salami
Definitely saying what I feel..
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:02 am to PrattLSU
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Of course I give him credit for that. I think it's great. I just sometimes feel like Les is a 90 year old women driving a Ferrari in the Left lane.
You're right. Les isn't the Ferrari type. But what coaches are? Kiffin?
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:07 am to Survivor 2010
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These are just a few examples but lead us to believe they could happen again in every game. When you feel like your team is well coached, the possibility to win every game exists. If you feel like your team is not well coached, you feel the possibility to lose every game exists.
Well said. Again, just watch the games, don't overcomplicate it. If you feel confident with the way Miles' teams are prepared, motivated, well lead, disciplined; you're not watching the same games I am. This is a trend, not a 1 or 2 time thing.
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I 100% support our team, from players to coaches. This does not mean I feel like everything is on track. I do feel at times that we may have seen our best days under Miles. Let's hope he makes the right decisions at the end of this year.
This & I would bet my house that a large majority of educated fans feel this way more often than not.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:14 am to rosiebean
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Question...how is it that 'an above average coach' can't be in the top tier of the SEC?
Also, if CLM isn't getting it done (two losses to the #1 and #3 teams, not blow outs, top ten ranking, #8 BCS ranking, etc.)...then what is your honest opinion on Pete Carroll? For real, if CLM sucks, what do you honest think about Carroll's job at USC?
SEC football is the premier conference in the country. You need more than above average to be running with at the top of the pack.
Regarding Carroll, I agree he is not getting it done either. He has a clear problem getting his team motivated to show up to some games. He has coasted through that joke of a conference for years but I can honestly say I would not want Carroll to coach LSU if Miles decided to leave.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:16 am to dandan
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What are your REAL thoughts on the LSU program?
Should be in the Top 5 EVERY year with the recruiting base and support LSU gets. LSU can do better than Les Miles and could have has Saban not jumped ship so late in the year. Brian Kelly is out there.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:17 am to tirebiter
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and it's the play calling, game management, and stupid penalties that kill successful plays and puts the team in holes they can't dig out of most possessions.
And this has everything to do with coaching and nothing else
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:20 am to Survivor 2010
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When you feel like your team is well coached, the possibility to win every game exists. If you feel like your team is not well coached, you feel the possibility to lose every game exists.
Man I wish I had just led with that. That encompasses so much..
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:22 am to PrattLSU
Pratt, first of all...great post. This is exactly how I feel.
I am probably one of the biggest LSU fans and supporters in the ATL, my friends even think I am crazy I love the Tigers so much. It's not easy being a Tiger fan when surrounded by Dawgs, Aubbies, Hillbilly Vols and Gators, but we manage to do it.
Part of the program seems to have died, and part of me has died inside as a result. For the first time ever, I have considered not watching a game live this Saturday (I will still DVR it and watch later), but the urgency to watch and participate is not there.
As I said yesterday, Miles and his staff have sucked the life out of the program, and we are all gasping for air at this point to stay alive.
I am probably one of the biggest LSU fans and supporters in the ATL, my friends even think I am crazy I love the Tigers so much. It's not easy being a Tiger fan when surrounded by Dawgs, Aubbies, Hillbilly Vols and Gators, but we manage to do it.
Part of the program seems to have died, and part of me has died inside as a result. For the first time ever, I have considered not watching a game live this Saturday (I will still DVR it and watch later), but the urgency to watch and participate is not there.
As I said yesterday, Miles and his staff have sucked the life out of the program, and we are all gasping for air at this point to stay alive.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:23 am to I-59 Tiger
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I-59 Tiger
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Wow. So in his second game and first loss four years ago you just decided to dump on the guy ? Even though he won 11 games that year and the next,and a National Title two years later, the attempt at a timeout was all you needed ?
Miles may not be Knute Rockne,but comments like this are just insane.
You're right. When a head coach of a top tier college program (or a HS program for that matter) doesn't understand that the clock stops on COP, tries to call TO & is basically tackled by an asst (all caught on nat'l tv); that shouldn't throw up any red flags.
Holy Miles apologist.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:26 am to Billy Ray Valentine
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Billy Ray Valentine
Holy Sabanista.
Just cannot figure you guys out who fail to give Miles any credit whatsover in his tenure. After two games you just sat their rubbing your hands hoping so see him struggle or fail. Three top 5 finishes and a National Title meant nothing to you.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:31 am to nycajun
quote:Again, more misrepresentation. This statement is about as dumb as your sig quote about the NYT...please Hardly even one person has said anything about a NC, they want the team to look crisp, improve every week not get worse, stop looking unprepared and disinterested, and challenge the good teams and beat them more often than not, and handily beat the teams that they should beat. There is nothing that is 'fanatic' or 'unreasonable' about those expectations. This is what every fans wants for his team, it's not something outside the norm as you intimate.
Well, I"m not sure you fully took my point. I think the fanbase is more at fault for its "either contend for a National Championship every year or the program is a failure"
This post was edited on 11/17/09 at 11:32 am
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:33 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Hardly even one person has said anything about a NC, they want the team to look crisp, improve every week not get worse, stop looking unprepared and disinterested, and challenge the good teams and beat them more often than not, and handily beat the teams that they should beat. There is nothing that is 'fanatic' or 'unreasonable' about those expectations. This is what every fans wants for his team, it's not something outside the norm as you intimate
YES. YES. YES.
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