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re: Very interested in hearing the Miles-bashers' answers about the future
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:05 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:05 pm to ballscaster
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Boy oh, boy, we've got some Grade-A goobers in purple t-shirts.
My point is that people put too much stock in one statistic. Les is a good coach, but extremely flawed. His flaw is what really keeps this team from consistently being a contender past October most seasons.
I think people calling for his heads are complete morons. Yes, he's not Saban, but he's still LSU's coach. I can't stand the man personally, but I respect what he's accomplished. He's won a ton of games, which is hard to consistently do, but I think people love to ignore what he came into and what he has had available to him.
Not one LSU coach before him was allowed to have an assistant coach making $1 million per season, much less two of them. He's also been given a ton of support in hiring position coaches at salaries that some head coaches don't even make.
He's LSU's coach and he ain't going nowhere anytime soon, so people need to just accept this is what LSU is. A team that won't be dominant, will have WTF games, but will win some games in the same fashion.
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:06 pm to ballscaster
Never before has LSU been as talented than under Les Miles. He has not taken LSU to a level higher than LSU under NS. LSU was a sleeping giant with all of the talent in state. Les is an above average recruiter with the talent because he is a likable guy. If he was a top level recruiter he would have ~3 rings. He has sustained the same level for 10 years.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:08 pm to ballscaster
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If you compare his LSU tenure to every coach/school tenure in the history of the game, you'll not find 25 more successful coach/school combos.
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Beginning in 2008, Miles' worst year as LSU coach, LSU has a .772 winning percentage going into this year; this is a better winning percentage than any of Miles' full-time predecessors had.
IMO, you're comparing Les to improper standards. It doesn't matter what others have done (here or elsewhere). It's what Les has accomplished and what he reasonably could've accomplished in terms of championships.
His current approach isn't going to compete very often for championships (once since '08).
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:09 pm to ballscaster
I personally am not a Miles-bashers I get ridiculed by my co workers for even liking him.So as for me its not his win /lose percentage its his inabilty to manage a game and he loses games he should not lose.Grant it it is for les than than he wins .It is his play calling I set in tiger stadum and can tell you 90 percent not just the play but who will get the ball and were they are going that has cost LSU at lest one nat championship his hard headed I am bigger than the game attitude.SO with that said I will tell you this when was in high school I went to my first LSU game ALL I heard was help mac pack because he could not beat the bear and he had a good 8 to 10 games a year winning and that was not good enught thats when we played 11 games a year not canting the bowl game.he needs to get back to coaching like he did when he came here and not play not to lose and play to win because he is respoable for the out come of the game.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:09 pm to lsutothetop
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expected w-l vs actual.
Nothing screams "unexpected losses" quite like 44 wins in the previous four seasons. Am I right?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:10 pm to Lsupimp
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Of course not. But what team did in the same span? How many Coaches would have using your criteria? Specifically, between 2005-2014, which Coaches did better? And would all others who fell short of The Ideal be fired in your world?
I'm NOT calling for Miles to be fired. I like the guy and think he's a good coach. All I'm saying is that he's getting paid a shite-ton of money for decent results.
I don't know enough about other football programs or coaches to talk knowledgeably about what other coaches would have done better w/ the talent he's had over the years. What I do know, is that I've seen PLENTY of games in the past in which other coaches will adjust immediately to what the other team is doing. Not all the time, but too often, it seems like Les is trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:11 pm to stuntman
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but do you honestly think they did as well as they could have w/ all that talent?
nope and therein lies the problem and my reasons laid out are why we have not done what we were capable of.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:12 pm to Geauxgurt
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With his own system and players in place, Les has 1 SEC title.
I don't know what LSU program some of you have watched growing up. But its always been a run first tough defense mentality. The set up hasn't really changed, we had to pump money in, we were getting left behind and any one could see that. Saban wasn't some fricking genius that came up with this concept. Dinardo started landing the recruits, saban turned it up a notch and les has continued success while also taking LSU to new heights. Our winning percentage is 20% higher than from 1980-2004.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:15 pm to tors
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its his inabilty to manage a game and he loses games he should not lose
Who are these teams we shouldn't lose to? UAB? ULM? UTAH?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:16 pm to ballscaster
Very impressive statistics no doubt for Les. You've set up your self-fulfilling prophecy well. If we counter with .500 or worse seasons that would statistically defeat your cherry picked arguement, not true fans, etc
This is equivalent of saying the CEO of IBM is more successful based on the revenue they earn under his watch, and how much more he is paid today vs his predecessors.
The previous coaches weren't paid as if they were a top 5 national coach and had nearly the largest coaching budget, the top facilities(being upgraded), a fundraising arm, and university investment that Les does. He's a Fortune 500 CEO that is promising it's investors and board of directors , and being compensated to do so , and underperforming projections. They wouldn't be tolerant and listen to historical rhetoric of the past and neither are we.
This is equivalent of saying the CEO of IBM is more successful based on the revenue they earn under his watch, and how much more he is paid today vs his predecessors.
The previous coaches weren't paid as if they were a top 5 national coach and had nearly the largest coaching budget, the top facilities(being upgraded), a fundraising arm, and university investment that Les does. He's a Fortune 500 CEO that is promising it's investors and board of directors , and being compensated to do so , and underperforming projections. They wouldn't be tolerant and listen to historical rhetoric of the past and neither are we.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:18 pm to Dupont3
Les has a higher winning percentage with his own players than any other LSU coach has had with his own players.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:21 pm to lsu mike
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Stupid negatiger. Who would you get that's just as good or better today?
Moral championships
I've listed who i would throw money at just as good as miles..college and ex pro ...but we are always told they would never come here.....talk about failing to try......
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:21 pm to AlwysATgr
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His current approach isn't going to compete very often for championships (once since '08).
So we've only competed once? We've been mathematically in the conference race in the last game of the season in 2010 and 2012. How many teams have played for the bcs title in that time frame?
Aub, Bama, Oregon, ND, Texas, FSU, UF.
Yeah that's some real bad company there. Oh look 3 teams we play every fricking year. Who else has to do that?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:23 pm to Dorsey07
Exactly. I don't give a shite how miles w/l record compares to the awful and not so awful coaches we've had over the past 30 years. They also weren't getting paid 4+ mil a year either.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:24 pm to Fat Bastard
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nope and therein lies the problem and my reasons laid out are why we have not done what we were capable of.
Didn't go to LSU.
Bashes Miles relentlessly.
"We."
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:24 pm to Dorsey07
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They wouldn't be tolerant and listen to historical rhetoric of the past and neither are we.
We have a top 5 team in terms if worth and les isn't a top five paid coach. Logic would tell me he is underpaid. Pretty sure we were #3 behind UT and Michigan.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:24 pm to ballscaster
I put like this.... If your a championship coach you prepare your team that way and they continuously play like they aren't prepared very well much less championship caliber. Everyone knows the talent and top end talent we recruit, we should be playing at a top level but they do not look like they are even close to that. Last year we had arguably the best QB we have ever had here and lost 3 games. DL and backers are regressing instead of progressing. Except for mayb 1 or 2 of them. We should have diff personell bc they simply perform better with them in. Why aren't they playing? Mayb it's how you f we are, mayb it's the new coach's, mayb it's play calling but ultimately this is all on the head coach. Hell Hugh Freeze has OM playing at a high level in his second year? Arkansas looks better, auburn, Tenn, Kentucky, MS, all playing at a high level right now. Our Tigers not so much.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:27 pm to ballscaster
Ballscaster, you point out a lot of good. I too think Les has accomplished a great deal. It's hard to throw shade on his winning percentage, overall success, great character, love for his players and devotion to the program. He is one of the best coaches in LSU's history.
If he were to leave today, I too would look back fondly at his era. Programs like TENN and FL are prime examples that when a good coach leaves (in our example, Saban), it normally leaves a void. The next guy who comes in doesn't just win by default. Each win is earned. Miles deserves more respect from the LSU faithful and from the media.
HOWEVER, is it too much for us to develop a quarterback and effective passing game? Miles isn't immune from faults. He stubbornly holds on to an offensive scheme that is in need of modernization and more balance. I enjoyed Mettenberger last year and enjoyed the balance we had on offense. That offense with an improved defense would have won a championship. Last year's offense was an exception to the last 7 years in the Miles era.
Miles should have known when he couldn't punch it in from the 2 yard line, with 4 running attempts, at night, in Tiger Stadium, against Moo State that a correction in play call would need to be made immediately.
I hope he sees the writing on the wall, corrects things and rallies.
If he were to leave today, I too would look back fondly at his era. Programs like TENN and FL are prime examples that when a good coach leaves (in our example, Saban), it normally leaves a void. The next guy who comes in doesn't just win by default. Each win is earned. Miles deserves more respect from the LSU faithful and from the media.
HOWEVER, is it too much for us to develop a quarterback and effective passing game? Miles isn't immune from faults. He stubbornly holds on to an offensive scheme that is in need of modernization and more balance. I enjoyed Mettenberger last year and enjoyed the balance we had on offense. That offense with an improved defense would have won a championship. Last year's offense was an exception to the last 7 years in the Miles era.
Miles should have known when he couldn't punch it in from the 2 yard line, with 4 running attempts, at night, in Tiger Stadium, against Moo State that a correction in play call would need to be made immediately.
I hope he sees the writing on the wall, corrects things and rallies.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:28 pm to BayouBengal99
So you make the call . Do we fire Les? And who is our new Coach?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:28 pm to ballscaster
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- LSU wins more games per year under Les Miles than under any of his full-time predecessors.
- LSU loses fewer games per year under Les Miles than under any of his full-time predecessors.
- LSU has a higher winning percentage under Les Miles than under any of his full-time predecessors.
those are all pretty much the same thing
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