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re: Very interested in hearing the Miles-bashers' answers about the future
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:49 pm to Lsupimp
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:49 pm to Lsupimp
Where did I say it sucked? It has been an unbelievably great ride, but do you honestly think they did as well as they could have w/ all that talent?
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:50 pm to ballscaster
LSU is a top program in the West. How many top SEC programs do you see getting dominated at home to Mississippi State? Or even SEC programs with a pulse? Seriously please cite one. What makes it worse is it was largely due to offensive schemes that everyone with eyes saw coming. I also don't see us righting the ship in the foreseeable future. I'm not sold we will be able to win with either QB, or any of our DT's. Those aren't problems that you can fix in a timely manner.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:51 pm to stuntman
quote:.769 winning percentage, better than any full-time predecessor.
The last 2 years.
quote:Textbook sidewalk.
Look at the last 10 years and all that NFL talent. Not much to show for it.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:51 pm to ballscaster
Thanks Ballcaster, I do believe that is an honest answer. 
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:52 pm to ballscaster
I'll sum it up like this,
Sunshine Pumpers, Miles deserves criticism and plenty of it. He is not the best coach in the country and can be extraordinarly stubborn and has an offensive problem.
Negatigers, y'all must be a joy to live with! This guy deserves plenty of credit for what he's done at LSU. Show me a better stretch in LSU history. You can't argue with the results. I would hate to have seen what y'all were like in the 90s.
Most importantly though:
Remember you get More Miles with Les but you get Les Smiles with Les Miles
Sunshine Pumpers, Miles deserves criticism and plenty of it. He is not the best coach in the country and can be extraordinarly stubborn and has an offensive problem.
Negatigers, y'all must be a joy to live with! This guy deserves plenty of credit for what he's done at LSU. Show me a better stretch in LSU history. You can't argue with the results. I would hate to have seen what y'all were like in the 90s.
Most importantly though:
Remember you get More Miles with Les but you get Les Smiles with Les Miles
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:52 pm to stuntman
quote:
The last 2 years. Look at all that talent that NFL teams are soaking up from LSU. What meaningful trophies does Les have to show for it? Look at the last 10 years and all that NFL talent. Not much to show for it.
That used to happen quite a bit during bobby bowdens last years.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:53 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
quote:
I feel like most of the time we are winning in spite of his coaching.
I've always felt this way about him. I remember when his hiring was announced. My reaction was one of surprise because I thought at the time that LSU could've done much better than a mediocre coach from a 2nd tier program. Okie Light never challenged for the Big XII while he was there. His claim to fame was somehow beating Bob Stoops twice, which was something other Big XII coaches were struggling to do at the time. In spite of that, he was generally laughed at around the conference due to his quirky behavior and inability to speak coherently. Twice he had huge leads against Texas, only to go conservative with play calling and eventually lose big. He seems to genuinely be a nice guy and he runs a clean program, which in itself is no small feat, but I don't think he's one of the elite when it comes to actual gameday coaching.
There is a real chance that LSU could have a losing season this year, for the first time in over a decade. It's a scary prospect for LSU fans who remember the dark days of Dinardo and Hallman. We don't want to ever live through that again. I keep hearing references to Phillip Fulmer being thrown around. and how UT went from the penthouse of the SEC to the outhouse, and still hasn't been able to regain their footing in the SEC. I don't want to see that happen to LSU, and I'm starting to think that perhaps it could happen unless Miles is willing to change.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:54 pm to Oh Lawd
What's your point? Has CLM even approached the PF level?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:54 pm to ballscaster
quote:
.769 winning percentage, better than any full-time predecessor.
More NFL draft picks than any full-time predecessor.
Look, there's no doubt Les has won tons of games. I mean, it's empirically verifiable. What we're saying is that w/ the unreal advantages LSU has going into games, it should be even better. You think that's unfair?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:55 pm to AlwysATgr
Good post.
Ill take minor exception with the following:
Ill take minor exception with the following:
quote:
we should have defeated OM last year? That one is on Mett's meltdown.
quote:
it’s all about championships. Except it's not. It's about money, prominence, full stadiums, big games, great players, etc.If everything short of The Ideal is failure, pretty much every Coach short of five need to be fired.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:55 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:If you compare his LSU tenure to every coach/school tenure in the history of the game, you'll not find 25 more successful coach/school combos.
But I don't agree with the premise in the OP that it is only to previous coaches that a current coach is to be compared.
quote:Beginning in 2008, Miles' worst year as LSU coach, LSU has a .772 winning percentage going into this year; this is a better winning percentage than any of Miles' full-time predecessors had.
Simply put, Les has had a huge head-start.
quote:Every game Miles has coached has been a winnable game, and he loses them less frequently than any of his predecessors. This speaks well of Miles.
is it unreasonable to think we should have defeated OM last year?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:56 pm to ballscaster
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When, if ever, will Les Miles' win/loss record at LSU reflect your negative opinions about his coaching ability?
You've been waiting nine+ years for this to manifest itself. When's it gonna happen?
Most fans I know will say he has more talent to work with than most coaches...and he should win with this talent.
The general feeling is he doesn't fully utilize the talent and it make the offense boring, predictable and some games are nail bitters that should not be.
I love Miles...I think he is great for CFB as a public figure.
I do wish he would let his new OC coach .. I see Les Miles finger prints all over this deal..and it's discouraging to see the potential be just slamming up against a brick wall with little doubt what LSU is trying to do offensively.
It's called "The LSU offense"...
Give Harris the ball in Shot gun for the rest of the season I think your going to see a different team!
If A$M can loose a Hieman QB, 3 WR and a 1st round OT, then LSU should be able to not skip a beat as well.
That's needs to be explained the fan base..Why our QB's struggle year after year yet other teams rack up 500 yards a weekend on the road with a first year starter?
It's scheme! That's coaching...
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:57 pm to Jones
quote:Oh, shut up.
You're a fricking idiot if you don't think he quit during that game. He gave up and he will never be able to salvage that pussy move.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:57 pm to stuntman
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Where did I say it sucked? It has been an unbelievably great ride, but do you honestly think they did as well as they could have w/ all that talent?
Of course not. But what team did in the same span? How many Coaches would have using your criteria? Specifically, between 2005-2014, which Coaches did better? And would all others who fell short of The Ideal be fired in your world?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:58 pm to LSUsuperfresh
Can you answer the question?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:59 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
I do wish he would let his new OC coach .. I see Les Miles finger prints all over this deal..and it's discouraging to see the potential be just slamming up against a brick wall with little doubt what LSU is trying to do offensively. It's called "The LSU offense"... Give Harris the ball in Shot gun for the rest of the season I think your going to see a different team! If A$M can loose a Hieman QB, 3 WR and a 1st round OT, then LSU should be able to not skip a beat as well. That's needs to be explained the fan base..Why our QB's struggle year after year yet other teams rack up 500 yards a weekend on the road with a first year starter? It's scheme! That's coaching...
Very well said.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:00 pm to stuntman
quote:Of course that isn't unfair. Two trips to Oxford come to mind.
What we're saying is that w/ the unreal advantages LSU has going into games, it should be even better. You think that's unfair?
But if that's all y'all were saying, I wouldn't have started this thread. You people have been going overboard with this shite for years. Nothing makes you happy.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:02 pm to ApexTiger
I'm a bit rough on you on another board (perhaps you've noticed), but I have no issue with your post here, and I can't recall anytime you've been particularly unreasonable regarding your fandomship.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:02 pm to ballscaster
Pure w-l record isn't the right metric, you have to look at expected w-l vs actual.
Not sure how that changes the analysis specifically though
Not sure how that changes the analysis specifically though
Posted on 9/22/14 at 6:03 pm to lsutothetop
quote:Good point. This allows you to move the goalposts in any argument.
Pure w-l record isn't the right metric, you have to look at expected w-l vs actual.
Who was that dumb arse who said "Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing"?
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 6:04 pm
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