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Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:01 am to chilge1
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2. Landry, Beckham, Hill, and Turner were not in their final season of eligibility
but they weren't 'young' either. They weren't freshman or sophmores.
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. Four of the Top Five Offenses of the last three years were from 2013.
it's the conference and teams we have to compete against, so if they are good, we have to be better. LSU needs to strive for better than middle of the pack finishes and mediocre bowl games.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:02 am to chilge1
these are hogwash as far as proving anything. so LSU was ranked ahead of Auburn BECAUSE we had .02 more yards gained per play. I guess the fact that ran more plays per game doesn't count?. also, these stats don't even include scoring.
the "food for thought" I have is that, once again, a posters posts stats as proof of something and the stats, even if accurate, doens't prove a damn thing.
all kinds of things influence stats. teams with a grinding ground game will run less plays and have more Time of Possesion (which also doesn't make you chart) and likely less yards per play yet be the biggest bad arse offense in the league.
go put your stats where the sun don't shine.
the "food for thought" I have is that, once again, a posters posts stats as proof of something and the stats, even if accurate, doens't prove a damn thing.
all kinds of things influence stats. teams with a grinding ground game will run less plays and have more Time of Possesion (which also doesn't make you chart) and likely less yards per play yet be the biggest bad arse offense in the league.
go put your stats where the sun don't shine.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:04 am to LSU GrandDad
Oh look.
Is this another of those folks that tell us they recognize the offense needs to be improved while simultaneously arguing against ANY AND ALL assertions of it's problems and posting stuff implying the offense is fine?
Is this another of those folks that tell us they recognize the offense needs to be improved while simultaneously arguing against ANY AND ALL assertions of it's problems and posting stuff implying the offense is fine?
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:09 am to boxcar willie
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it's the conference and teams we have to compete against, so if they are good, we have to be better. LSU needs to strive for better than middle of the pack finishes and mediocre bowl games.
I agree, but this isn't solely on the offense, either. In our 11 losses during the past three years, 8 of them have come when an opposing offense scores 30+. Defense has been just as concerning as the offense in those games. Unfortunately, we never really recovered from the 2013-14 NFL Drafts.
On the other hand, pending the announcements of White (rumored to be leaving) and Beckwith (rumored to be staying), we will be stacked on both sides of the ball in a way that we haven't been since the 2005-07 seasons.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:23 am to chilge1
Are you seriously trying to argue that LSU's offense this year was above average?
You obviously didn't watch any of these games.
And another stat I would like to see is Average YPG vs an in conference opponent
You obviously didn't watch any of these games.
And another stat I would like to see is Average YPG vs an in conference opponent
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:24 am to chilge1
For those who would appreciate the information, here are the average ranks in offensive yards per play over the last 3 years.
1. Alabama (2, 11, 22) Average Rank 11.67
2. LSU (4, 24, 9) Average Rank 12.33
4. Ole Miss (18, 19, 3) Average Rank 13.33
5. Texas A&M (1, 16, 26) Average Rank 14.33
6. Auburn (5, 8, 32) Average Rank 15.0
6. State (21, 10, 14) Average Rank 15.0
8. Arkansas (28, 23, 6) Average Rank 19.0
3. Georgia (12, 7, 20) Average Rank 13.0
8. Carolina (15, 17, 25) Average Rank 19.0
10. Missouri (13, 33, 42) Average Rank 29.33
11. Kentucky (34, 30, 29) Average Rank 31.0
12. Tennessee (35, 38, 27) Average Rank 33.33
13. Vanderbilt (31, 40, 41) Average Rank 36.67
14. Florida (39, 36, 37) Average Rank 37.33
1. Alabama (2, 11, 22) Average Rank 11.67
2. LSU (4, 24, 9) Average Rank 12.33
4. Ole Miss (18, 19, 3) Average Rank 13.33
5. Texas A&M (1, 16, 26) Average Rank 14.33
6. Auburn (5, 8, 32) Average Rank 15.0
6. State (21, 10, 14) Average Rank 15.0
8. Arkansas (28, 23, 6) Average Rank 19.0
3. Georgia (12, 7, 20) Average Rank 13.0
8. Carolina (15, 17, 25) Average Rank 19.0
10. Missouri (13, 33, 42) Average Rank 29.33
11. Kentucky (34, 30, 29) Average Rank 31.0
12. Tennessee (35, 38, 27) Average Rank 33.33
13. Vanderbilt (31, 40, 41) Average Rank 36.67
14. Florida (39, 36, 37) Average Rank 37.33
This post was edited on 1/16/16 at 11:28 am
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:29 am to chilge1
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chilge1
Stop...
I can appreciate bringing unique perspectives about our offense based on stats but your attempts are ill fated.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:35 am to stewie
Nobody is forcing you to post in this thread. Why don't you go monitor the one that you started in which you said that the offense will be fine if we get adequate QB play out of Harris?
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:38 am to boxcar willie
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but they weren't 'young' either. They weren't freshman or sophmores.
Actually, Hill and Turner both were sophomores.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:42 am to chilge1
quote:You do realize that sometimes, the other team scores a bunch cause you're offense isn't doing jack shite, right?
In our 11 losses during the past three years, 8 of them have come when an opposing offense scores 30+
I mean, please tell me you understand this aspect of football.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:43 am to chilge1
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Unfortunately, we never really recovered from the 2013-14 NFL Drafts.
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On the other hand, pending the announcements of White (rumored to be leaving) and Beckwith (rumored to be staying)
Ok that's fine, but that isn't something the coaching staff has a lot of control over. But the things they do have control over they need to get the most out of. That's what good coaches do, which we do have good coaches. But even the best have to adapt at times and even the best make mistakes. Look at a team in our own conference who recently won a NC. They realized that there offense while good, could be even better, so they implemented the same offense they already ran but updated it. It's been working well for them and we should also be flexible and able to adapt as changes to the environment we are in also change.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:44 am to chilge1
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we will be stacked on both sides of the ball in a way that we haven't been since the 2005-07 seasons.
Hmm. 9 years.
Who is responsible for recruiting again?
Oh. Wait. Miles is basically known for supposedly being great at recruiting. But now, in defense of recent performance, you are essentially using the "but we didn't have the players" argument.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:45 am to chilge1
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Actually, Hill and Turner both were sophomores
wasn't Hill a redshirt sophomore as he was drafted after that season? Point being our most talented players were also experienced players., i.e. not young.
This post was edited on 1/16/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:48 am to chilge1
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Nobody is forcing you to post in this thread. Why don't you go monitor the one that you started in which you said that the offense will be fine if we get adequate QB play out of Harris?
Because people like you are the reason the we have slipped back to mediocrity.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:56 am to boxcar willie
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But the things they do have control over they need to get the most out of. That's what good coaches do, which we do have good coaches. But even the best have to adapt at times
You have a struggling defense, a sophomore quarterback, a strong offensive line, and Leonard Fournette.
How would you adapt?
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:57 am to ShortyRob
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Oh. Wait. Miles is basically known for supposedly being great at recruiting. But now, in defense of recent performance, you are essentially using the "but we didn't have the players" argument.
From 2005-07, we had the most talented roster in the country, bar none. That's somewhat different than simply recruiting at a very high level.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:59 am to boxcar willie
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wasn't Hill a redshirt sophomore as he was drafted after that season? Point being our most talented players were also experienced players., i.e. not young.
Depends on how you want to define "redshirt" in his case. He sat out of football entirely for a year due to the incident he had in high school. He wasn't with the program in 2011, if that's what you're suggesting.
Furthermore, what does it say about the recent state of the program if we're considering redshirt sophomores as "experienced players?"
Posted on 1/16/16 at 11:59 am to chilge1
And, to be fair, we were super talented (mainly on defense) from 2010-2012.
ETA: And we were like 34-5 in those seasons.
ETA: And we were like 34-5 in those seasons.
This post was edited on 1/16/16 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 1/16/16 at 12:00 pm to stewie
Let me ask you this, willie, and I expect an honest answer because you're one of the few posters advocating a change that isn't frothing at the mouth.
If we had Landry, Beckham, Hill, Turner, Ego, and Freak return for another season, or even just the offensive players... what do you suppose would have happened in 2014, and do you believe that LSU would have been on the list in the OP three times if we had retained those players?
If we had Landry, Beckham, Hill, Turner, Ego, and Freak return for another season, or even just the offensive players... what do you suppose would have happened in 2014, and do you believe that LSU would have been on the list in the OP three times if we had retained those players?
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