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re: Today's Rabalais article is very interesting!
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:33 am to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:33 am to Tiger Ryno
I love how Jimbo's losses are the deal breaker but we just gloss. Over the fact that Herman lost to a piss-poor UConn team.
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:33 am to TaderSalad
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This. Not sure what the obsession is with him.
Take a look at his record and I'd be willing to bet you could figure it out. He's at a school that wouldn't let him retain Jeremy Pruitt who is now at Alabama. Jimbo knows he isn't getting all of the advantages he would have if he were in the SEC.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:35 am to JinFL
Stoops?
Why would LSU even contemplate that. He's won 1 NC and has since blown some BCS bowl games and always under performs it seems. The Mark Richt of the Big 12. I think he is a good coach and seems to be a great recruiter but not the stellar coach that we need. Maybe he is just getting stale and needs a challenge at a new school, but do you want somebody that doesn't have that drive every year like a Saban to not rest on his laurels and become stale and lazy.
Shaw?
You don't have the money to get him out of Stanford. Even for all it's liberalness and high taxes and cost of living, it is a beautiful place to live with wonderful weather. No way he leaves for any team.
Kingsbury?
I don't understand why that name comes up. Sure he has good offenses, but it is an offense where you have to have a great thrower and smart QB. I don't want to see that type of offense here at LSU and that is all he knows.
Saban?
I don't see that happening. I think he has his legacy to think about and can't see him making that move within the same conference. I could see the move to Austin a few years ago, but not to LSU. I know they liked it here and I know he doesn't like the extracurricular stuff at Bama in terms of keeping donors and such happy, not to mention the expectations of fans. He will be under those same expectations here and will probably have to tied down by boosters here as well just like he is in Bama. I think his legacy at a school means something to him as he is getting up in age. Being a legend like Bear Bryant at a school I think might mean something to him now.
Meyer?
He is not leaving OSU. They will match whatever they offer, it's his alma mater, and he is king there. I don't think any of these big names at these big schools will come to Baton Rouge.
LSU has a better shot at convincing an up and comer coach like Herman than any of the big names Rabalais mentioned.
But I don't know if LSU can convince him to leave. If he is looking at a playoff spot this season and then UH gets invited to the Big 12, he may likely stay put and build something there. Plus he gets a raise if they get into the Big12.
It think Herman should be the target then Jimbo. I don't want to see a bunch of spread option here though, but I think he would change up some if we hired him. The spread option doesn't have the success in the SEC like it does elsewhere because of the speed and size of the SEC defenses. I think he would realize that.
I would be OK with Jimbo, despite his struggles this year at FSU. I know he likes it here and may want a fresh start after the divorce crap. I'm not sure what that would do with the custody deal and plus the health issues of his son are all a consideration as well. I think it would be good for recruiting QB's.
Why would LSU even contemplate that. He's won 1 NC and has since blown some BCS bowl games and always under performs it seems. The Mark Richt of the Big 12. I think he is a good coach and seems to be a great recruiter but not the stellar coach that we need. Maybe he is just getting stale and needs a challenge at a new school, but do you want somebody that doesn't have that drive every year like a Saban to not rest on his laurels and become stale and lazy.
Shaw?
You don't have the money to get him out of Stanford. Even for all it's liberalness and high taxes and cost of living, it is a beautiful place to live with wonderful weather. No way he leaves for any team.
Kingsbury?
I don't understand why that name comes up. Sure he has good offenses, but it is an offense where you have to have a great thrower and smart QB. I don't want to see that type of offense here at LSU and that is all he knows.
Saban?
I don't see that happening. I think he has his legacy to think about and can't see him making that move within the same conference. I could see the move to Austin a few years ago, but not to LSU. I know they liked it here and I know he doesn't like the extracurricular stuff at Bama in terms of keeping donors and such happy, not to mention the expectations of fans. He will be under those same expectations here and will probably have to tied down by boosters here as well just like he is in Bama. I think his legacy at a school means something to him as he is getting up in age. Being a legend like Bear Bryant at a school I think might mean something to him now.
Meyer?
He is not leaving OSU. They will match whatever they offer, it's his alma mater, and he is king there. I don't think any of these big names at these big schools will come to Baton Rouge.
LSU has a better shot at convincing an up and comer coach like Herman than any of the big names Rabalais mentioned.
But I don't know if LSU can convince him to leave. If he is looking at a playoff spot this season and then UH gets invited to the Big 12, he may likely stay put and build something there. Plus he gets a raise if they get into the Big12.
It think Herman should be the target then Jimbo. I don't want to see a bunch of spread option here though, but I think he would change up some if we hired him. The spread option doesn't have the success in the SEC like it does elsewhere because of the speed and size of the SEC defenses. I think he would realize that.
I would be OK with Jimbo, despite his struggles this year at FSU. I know he likes it here and may want a fresh start after the divorce crap. I'm not sure what that would do with the custody deal and plus the health issues of his son are all a consideration as well. I think it would be good for recruiting QB's.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:37 am to jp4lsu
If our admin has any sense, they will offer Saban five years 12 million a year, make Bama match that, then hire Herman or Jimbo.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 8:39 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:41 am to TheCaterpillar
At this point I'm on board with Herman, but I think in looking back at some of Miles' press conferences years ago and comparing them to his recent ones it's obvious he was burned out here.
I believe Jimbo is starting his 6th season at FSU- might it be that a change of scenery could be just what he needs to become the dominant coach again (if you think his 71-15 record shows he's slipping)? Just thinking out loud.
I believe Jimbo is starting his 6th season at FSU- might it be that a change of scenery could be just what he needs to become the dominant coach again (if you think his 71-15 record shows he's slipping)? Just thinking out loud.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:43 am to plbjr
Jimbo fisher is the answer.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:52 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Hell, Petrino got blown out by MILES when his team was ranked #3. If Miles had Petrino's temperment......it would have been a slaughter of epic proportion.
Petrino got blown out by the Honey Badger! A punt return that totally changed the momentum, an interception, a strip and two fumble recoveries.
It was a great win and the offense did have a good day but that game was a Heisman showcase for Mathieu. Great injustice that he didn't win that year.
Not directed at you but, for the people who have been trashing Booger for his anti-Miles sentiments, check out Booger running excitedly down the LSU sideline during Mathieu's punt return. McFarland is all LSU and shed a lot of blood, sweat and tears for our Tigers.
Also, I wouldn't judge Jimbo on one bad game. Fisher is a good coach and would be a step up from Elmer Fudd.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:57 am to Tiger Ryno
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Mark my words they rue the day they pass on Herman (if they do). Jombo fisher is what he is. His team got blown out by petrino 63-20.
Jimbo is skating at this point. Herman is going to be dominant for 20 more yearsm
Jumbo is the lazy hire. Have some damn balls go all in on Herman, or be stealing at the same damn offense you've been witnessing got the last 11-12 seasons
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:04 am to plbjr
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No, LSU has to go big. Go after a huge, tidal wave-making name, like Alabama did when it pried Saban away from the Miami Dolphins and like Michigan did when it brought home Jim Harbaugh from the San Francisco 49ers
This sounds great in theory, but fails to consider the circumstances that surrounded those types of hires.
Saban was likely looking to get out of Miami and Bama just so happened to have an available job. If Bama had fired Shula one year earlier, Saban would not have been the Bama coach (he wasn't leaving the Dolphins after one season)
EVERYONE knew Jim Harbaugh was on his way out of SF. The timing just worked out perfectly for Michigan. If the search takes place a year earlier (when SF went to the Super Bowl), Harbaugh is not Michigan's coach today.
Meyer was out of coaching when he was hired at OSU. The same OSU program who had an opening ONLY because they were forced to fire a guy they really didn't want to fire (Tressel)
We've seen Texas put all their eggs in one basket (Saban) and come up empty. Hopefully LSU doesn't do that.
I have no doubt that LSU will pay whatever is necessary to bring in a new coach. The question is will that "splash" hire be available? Bama, OSU and Michigan were in the right place at the right time. Is Chip Kelley growing tired of the NFL? Maybe Pete Carroll is getting a bit complacent in Seattle? Maybe Jon Gruden isn't all that happy that Mike Tirico left? Who the hell knows?
The list of people who LSU fans would largely consider a "splash" hire is pretty short. Jimbo Fisher is probably the most realistic of the bunch right now unless there is something about another guy the media/fans know nothing about.
Finally, Rabalais uses revisionist history to judge the impact of the Saban to LSU hire. 1999 Nick Saban is not the same as 2016, or even 2005 Nick Saban. Back then, he was thought of as a good coach at MSU, but certainly not a name that EVERYONE had to have. Hell, many fans were skeptical because he was the guy that Dinardo hammered in the Indy Bowl just a few years before.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:06 am to therick711
Here is the problem with the Rabalais article.
1) He says lsu needs to rock the football world. however, he concludes by saying Jimbo is the safer pick and Herman is a risk.
If you want to be great, if you are firing a coach because he was to conservative, Then why the hell are you going to demonstrate the same quality and go with the safer/more conservative option?
If you want to make the big splash, you want to make the pick that will send waves through the football world that you are serious about trying to be the next dominate program, you don't play it safe, you take the risk because you believe he is the guy to unseat THE GUY.
Most successful people had to take a "risk" to become successful. This is the same situation as when florida hired Urban Meyer from Utah. You take the risk, you go after the guy with the most potential and highest ceiling. Would Jimbo be a fantastic hire? absolutely. However, if we are talking about sending a message to college football powers, herman is the guy.
I usually don't get on board with an up and comer type. however, this guy is different. He's been at a big program, he's been in championship's, he's been the head guy, he's shown recruiting, defense, and the ability to be innovative.
1) He says lsu needs to rock the football world. however, he concludes by saying Jimbo is the safer pick and Herman is a risk.
If you want to be great, if you are firing a coach because he was to conservative, Then why the hell are you going to demonstrate the same quality and go with the safer/more conservative option?
If you want to make the big splash, you want to make the pick that will send waves through the football world that you are serious about trying to be the next dominate program, you don't play it safe, you take the risk because you believe he is the guy to unseat THE GUY.
Most successful people had to take a "risk" to become successful. This is the same situation as when florida hired Urban Meyer from Utah. You take the risk, you go after the guy with the most potential and highest ceiling. Would Jimbo be a fantastic hire? absolutely. However, if we are talking about sending a message to college football powers, herman is the guy.
I usually don't get on board with an up and comer type. however, this guy is different. He's been at a big program, he's been in championship's, he's been the head guy, he's shown recruiting, defense, and the ability to be innovative.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 9:21 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:12 am to TaderSalad
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QB development should NOT be the only thing a coach is known for. I want SEC experience.
You know he coached at LSU, right? You saying you want someone with HEAD coaching experience in the SEC? Who exactly? ...Other than Coach O, who had a bad run?
And Jimbo is not known exclusively as a QB developer. Again--2 playoff appearances, one national championship.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 9:13 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:12 am to dos crystal
It has to be Herman first. If it falls through, go to Jimbo.
If Herman comes here and flops, you go back to Jimbo or the candidates that are available at the time. I have a hard enough time seeing Jimbo leave for LSU, much less another school.
If Herman comes here and flops, you go back to Jimbo or the candidates that are available at the time. I have a hard enough time seeing Jimbo leave for LSU, much less another school.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:12 am to plbjr
Good read
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:17 am to BayouBengals18
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With Stoops, it has to be his agent playing the game...
Bob Stoops is Les Miles. Just replace "Michigan men" with "army of brothers who aren't really good coaches."
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 9:18 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:21 am to Brendoni
quote:thank you. we have, as all fanbases do during a coaching search, a mixture of fad/hot names, shortsightedness, wing & prayer, familiarity/comfort zone, etc driving us individually. Just like this country's politics, there is no middle ground and there's a lot of if you don't agree with me on every point, you are against me and therefore my enemy and should be attacked. Can't stop it, here and in politics, but it is annoying.
I think Herman is a great coach as well, and I would love to see him at LSU, but remember he plays Louisville this year, so if he get's blown out too, are you going to apply the same statement?
quote:agreed. to an extent. Can use any names you want in that statement. There is nothing wrong with that strategy overall. It may happen that way, there are no guarantees with any name.
It has to be Herman first. If it falls through, go to Jimbo. If Herman comes here and flops, you go back to Jimbo or the candidates that are available at the time. I have a hard enough time seeing Jimbo leave for LSU, much less another school.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 9:23 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:24 am to Tiger Ryno
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Mark my words they rue the day they pass on Herman (if they do). Jombo fisher is what he is. His team got blown out by petrino 63-20.
Jimbo is skating at this point. Herman is going to be dominant for 20 more yearsm
Yep. Fisher is Bob Stoops but in a state with WAY more talent.
I've said for days that Fisher would be good for LSU and that we'd be a top 10-12 team for the foreseeable future, but Herman is the next legend. LSU would become a true powerhouse, the next dynasty with Herman.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:07 am to Alt26
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Finally, Rabalais uses revisionist history to judge the impact of the Saban to LSU hire. 1999 Nick Saban is not the same as 2016, or even 2005 Nick Saban. Back then, he was thought of as a good coach at MSU, but certainly not a name that EVERYONE had to have. Hell, many fans were skeptical because he was the guy that Dinardo hammered in the Indy Bowl just a few years before.
He was highly thought of and had just led Michigan State to a 9-2 season. He blew Emmert and the search committee away with how well prepared he was for the interview and his plan for righting the ship. Yes, folks were skeptical and their skepticism turned out to be unfounded.
Rabalais isn't using revisionist history to judge the impact of the Saban hire. Nick saved LSU from itself. He demanded the Academic Center be built and that we get a new Football Ops Center. He stopped the bleeding of Louisiana talent leaving for Florida, Florida State, etc. He laid the foundation for the success Miles enjoyed. Saban's impact was program altering!!
From 3-8 to an SEC title in two years and a NC in 4 is pretty impressive.
It was a bold hire by Emmert.. "Pay him what he wants!"
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:23 am to plbjr
Some good posts in the comments section of this article...
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According to Joe Alleva, head coaching experience a "Must," to be considered for the LSU job. Well, in 1955, LSU A.D. Jim Corbett hired a 35 year old assistant coach, Paul Dietzel, three years later we won a NC; A.D. Bob Broadhead hired Bill Arnsparger in the early 80's, and Chancellor Mark Emmert hired Nick Saban in 2000, three years later he won a NC. Paul Dietzel was an assistant coach with no head coaching experience, Arnsbarger was the Defensive Coordinator of the Miami Dolphins with little or no head coaching experience, and Saban was hired away from Michigan State by LSU President, Mark Emmert, and he bacame a super star at LSU. Two things about Dietzel, Arnsparger, and Saban: Of all the nine or more coaches in the 60 some years this period covers, they were the only three that left on their own accord and not fired. Naturally they were considered traitors when they left. All the other coaches were FIRED. So, six out of nine or so coaches were fired. SEcond thing about the three is two out of the three had head coaching experience. Leaders are hired more on the basis of potential and than accomplishments. No surprise that Corbett, Broadhead, and Emmert were very successful leaders because they knew how to gauge talent. For Alleva to write in stone that the candidate must have or have been a head coach eliminates many good candidates with lots of potential. For example, the Houston Coach, Herman, was the OC at Ohio State when the Houston A,D signed him, and by the standards Alleva sets, Herman would not get a look cause he is not a head coach. Hopefully, Alleva will take a seat on the sidelines and let more competent people handle this. BTW, Bob Broadhead also brought to Tiger Land an unknown assistant baseball coach from Miami, named Skip Bertman, who had a fair career at LSU. Again, by the standards set by Alleva, Bertman would have not got a look. Gotta have head coaching experience per Alleva. Not Good. He is doing this to "Cover his rear end."
-Bobby Coxe
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 10:25 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:23 am to plbjr
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I disagree on Fisher over Herman. Bum Philips once complimented Don Shula by saying: "He can take his'n and beat your'n and take your'n and beat his'n" That's the ultimate compliment for a coach. He not only wins when he has more talent than his opponent but he can take lesser talent and beat a more talented team. Between Herman and Fisher to replace Coach Miles (who I don't think should have been fired at this time), to me it's a no brainer if Herman wants to be at LSU. Why? He took lesser talent and beat Fisher's FSU team in last year's Peach Bowl. What better way to compare two coaches than on the field? Scoreboards don't lie. Further, Jimbo's FSU team just got scorched by Louisville who put up 63 points on FSU in a loss. That is a "never in a coaching career acceptable embarassment" and evidences either a staff that could not adapt or a team that quit, neither which reflects well on the head coach. If a Miles team had lost to an inferior team in a bowl and within 3 games allowed the other team to score 63, there would have been torches and pitch forks in the streets. Further, Saban is the best evaluator of coaching and playing talent. He did NOT bring Jimbo Fisher with him to Miami. Regardless of what reason was given, this speaks volumes to me. Further, it seems Fisher's teams perpetually have at least one player facing charges for rape, domestic violence, assault, etc. Finally, Miles was able to compete for recruits against Saban and others because LSU represented a "family" feel. For players who did not want just the business side of the game, Miles and staff represented a great alternative by having recruits and players over to his house. Fisher's family went through an unbelievably ugly divorce last year if the web articles are true. Even if it was not Fisher's fault, it seems hard to believe that as a single coach he can proximate the "family" hospitality and atmosphere that has proved successful for LSU the past 12 years under Miles as the counter to Saban. When combined, I think Herman is the clear choice over Fisher if LSU can get him. Fisher may be a nice guy but Herman is the safer choice.
-Christian N Paulette Lewis
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 10:25 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:26 am to nola000
Mascona was talking about this yesterday as well. LSU cannot, I repeat, CANNOT nickel and dime this hire. That's what Tennessee did post Fulmer. That's what Miami did post Davis. This will be Alleva's legacy. This one hire will determine how he is talked about 50 years from now.
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