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re: Thoughts on the basketball game last night...good overall win
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:18 am to SouthOfSouth
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:18 am to SouthOfSouth
I think our defense is good in spurts. Like last night early in the 2nd half, that was the best I've seen us play defense this year. I think in the Houston game when we had so many tipped passes and blocks, same way. Just hands up, feet moving, and energy. It's to get the young guys to understand that you have to do that all the time, even when your man doesn't have the ball. Mays and Sims looked lost at times when rotating from screens and slacked off right before their man made a cut. Got to keep up the intensity all the time. You're right though, when CJJ came here, we pressed and trapped all the time, even when we didn't have the depth to do it. Pour Shavon Coleman straight up fell out at the end of the SMU game a few years ago from pressing so much.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:20 am to GeauxTime9
The game was sloppy as hell
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:36 am to lowhound
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I think our defense is good in spurts.
I agree with this. JJ's teams always lack focus. I feel like the only game that we really focused and played smart for 40 minutes was the UH game. It's like the entire team needs to pop some adderal before the game. Some of the shite they do just drives me crazy. For example, the Mays turnover where he just passes it to Simms that is 2ft away in transition. I was like what in the frick are you doing man.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:39 am to nicholastiger
At this point, Jones should just schedule 8 to 10 minutes a game for Robinson. Tell him "you have 5 fouls to give in 10 minutes. That's one foul every two minutes. If you can't stay in front of your man, foul him, but don't let him get an easy basket. And when you foul him, make sure he doesn't score."
If Robinson could just do that, he would provide some value. He'd shut down the lane (mostly) for those 10 minutes and he'd give Victor and/or Reath a breather without having to play small.
At this point, Robinson should be providing more, but can't he at least do that?
If Robinson could just do that, he would provide some value. He'd shut down the lane (mostly) for those 10 minutes and he'd give Victor and/or Reath a breather without having to play small.
At this point, Robinson should be providing more, but can't he at least do that?
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:46 am to Manswers
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At this point, Robinson should be providing more, but can't he at least do that?
I agree. It is weird, it looks like he has put on more weight from last year. He just does not move quickly enough. I hope he can turn it around, but we could really give his spot to someone who is more serviceable. IMO JJ is running a business, his job is to get the best players and win basketball games. I think it is time to send Robinson packing and find a JUCO big for next year that can give us more production.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:47 am to GeauxTime9
South, I agree...the only way to play zone is to fully practice night and day. When we run zone, I seriously think it is the worst zone I've ever seen.
My opinion: This team is talented, with the right coach it's a top 25 team. My goal from the get go was the NIT.
People who are shocked Reath is good clearly did not know anything about him. I predicted him to get about 10-12 points and 8 rebounds a night before the season started.
What LSU just fails to realize (and that's CJJ's fault), we are a running team...but you cannot run without playing great D. If we really got down and dirty on defense, no laziness, no letting offensive rebounds, we would be extremely good. With Sampson, AB, Mays in the open court, then add in 2 big men who can run...we are meant to play uptempo but our defense hinders that.
Overall, going into SEC play last year we were 7-5..so already we are doing better. You can say what you want about the schedule, but we got whipped by CoC last year. If we went into SEC play last year with 2 or 3 losses, we easily make the NCAA tournament. I am very hopefully we can go 8-10 and make the NIT
My opinion: This team is talented, with the right coach it's a top 25 team. My goal from the get go was the NIT.
People who are shocked Reath is good clearly did not know anything about him. I predicted him to get about 10-12 points and 8 rebounds a night before the season started.
What LSU just fails to realize (and that's CJJ's fault), we are a running team...but you cannot run without playing great D. If we really got down and dirty on defense, no laziness, no letting offensive rebounds, we would be extremely good. With Sampson, AB, Mays in the open court, then add in 2 big men who can run...we are meant to play uptempo but our defense hinders that.
Overall, going into SEC play last year we were 7-5..so already we are doing better. You can say what you want about the schedule, but we got whipped by CoC last year. If we went into SEC play last year with 2 or 3 losses, we easily make the NCAA tournament. I am very hopefully we can go 8-10 and make the NIT
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:47 am to GeauxTime9
No more Darcy Malone equals wins
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:50 am to GeauxTime9
Maybe, but I'm concerned about this year. We've seen the last two years (particularly the team two years ago) get exhausted and injured down the stretch because we overplay our most talented players. If Robinson fouls out constantly, so be it. The only concern I'd have is if the O tanks while he's on the court.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:58 am to Manswers
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Maybe, but I'm concerned about this year. We've seen the last two years (particularly the team two years ago) get exhausted and injured down the stretch because we overplay our most talented players. If Robinson fouls out constantly, so be it. The only concern I'd have is if the O tanks while he's on the court.
I think you lean on Epps, Bridgewater, and Simms before Robinson ever sees the floor. Just my opinion. I think right now the speed of the game is too quick for big elbert.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 9:05 am to Tiger Ugly
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IMHO you see flashes and glimpses of good play, just enough to let you know we are capable, but kinda cruise and lose focus just as much or more. And to me that's what we've always been under CJJ.
I wish that were different but to me it's been a pretty consistent thing IMHO.
This team has talent. Rieth is and SEC big man, and Victor is solid and even better with his compliment in there.
Blakeney, still inconsistent, but very talented, could have played anywhere in the country he wanted. Sampson was a top 50 recruit who came out of the gate like gangbusters last year than disappeared. He has skills.
So it's not like were this poor, talent-less overachieving team that's milking everything we have.
We can compete with what we have, especially in the down SEC. I'm skeptical because of my perception of the culture I've seen of the program, but I do want to see us when and I hope the kids can prove my perception wrong.
This.
Talent in the starting 5 is not the problem. LSU has 4 top 100 recruits + a Juco transfer who has exceeded ALL expectations. There are several coaches in the SEC alone who would kill for that starting line up. But I agree that consistency is this team's biggest problem. You get the feeling they play hard only when they have to, especially on defense. Once the game was tied last night they ratcheted up the energy on defense, but you're not always going to get away with doing that (especially on the road).
I'm not necessarily worried about this team being able to score at this point. JJ's teams have always been inefficient on offense, but they find ways to put the ball in the basket which is obviously the most important thing. The one concern on offense right now is the assist are way down from previous years and it's more one-on-one than maybe ever before. That's ok when you are clearly more talented man-for-man than your opponent, but it can be a death knell when you run into a team that locks you up (like Wichita St. did)
In the end though, this team is going to go as far as their defense will take them. Right now, it doesn't look great. Opponents are absolutely blowing by the guards on the perimeter. That puts a ton of stress on Victor and Reath who LSU obviously can't afford to have sitting on the bench in foul trouble. Just putting more emphasis in getting in better defensive position on the perimeter would do wonders for this team. Unfortunately, we've been saying that for going on 5 years now and it rarely happens.
Talent-wise this team can hang with anyone when they put it together. The OOC schedule is horribly weak again, so winning at Wake Forest is almost a must. LSU's best OOC win away from home is Old Dominion. Road wins over good teams are HUGE. It's big reason why an 11-7 LSU team made the NCAAT in 14-15 while an 11-7 LSU team didn't sniff the NCAAT last season. Wake and Texas Tech are the last two chances to pick up great OOC wins. If they lose both, then I think they would probably need to win at least 13 SEC games to have a prayer at the tournament. That's unlikely.
They aren't exceeding expectations (they've beat everyone they should beat), but they aren't underwhelming either.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 9:07 am to jptiger2009
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this a joke? That's all I see on here. Even after last night's win!! "JJ scedules cupcakes." "LSU beating the cupcakes." "Wait until LSU plays somebody good."
This is not an attack on you because it wasn't the point of your post, but folks on here can't stand the fact that LSU basketball is exceeding expectations. P.S., minus last season's setback, JJ had steady progressions every year. So, this year is no exception.
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 9:13 am to Manswers
quote:The guards are letting up too much penetration. Reath is more agile so he can avoid the fouls but when you ask Elbert to play D just like Reath does, he will pick up fouls faster.
At this point, Robinson should be providing more, but can't he at least do that?
If the guards could play better D and box out at all, then you would get a lot more out of Elbert and every other big man.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 9:15 am to Pilot Tiger
College of Charleston is 8-4 with losses to UCF (20), Wake Forest (17), Villanova (16), and LSU (10).
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Thoughts on the basketball game last night
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at least we're actually beating the bad teams we're playing this year
Posted on 12/20/16 at 9:16 am to lsusteve1
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Not really....LSU will be mediocre with JJ as coach.
This. Once the SEC schedule comes around we will see the same teams we have since JJ has been here
Posted on 12/20/16 at 9:25 am to 12Pence
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College of Charleston is 8-4 with losses to UCF (20), Wake Forest (17), Villanova (16), and LSU (10).
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Thoughts on the basketball game last night
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at least we're actually beating the bad teams we're playing this year
You do realize Nova is #1 in RPI and Wake is #20. CoC is not a bad team by any margin. Bad teams this year include: Wofford, Southern Miss, North Florida, and Texas Southern.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 10:19 am to GeauxTime9
The Tigers have won games they have been expected to win thus far. This is great!
The loss to Wichita State still sticks in my craw. Perhaps, it reminds me too much of the SEC tourney blowout from last year.
We have not played an away game thus far. The tournament games in November were neutral site games.
The Wake Forest game will be our first true away game. This game is huge and could make or break a NCAA tourney bid (if we can survive our SEC schedule). We will have to perform like we did in the second half against Houston to win. Tigers have potential, but far too inconsistent.
The loss to Wichita State still sticks in my craw. Perhaps, it reminds me too much of the SEC tourney blowout from last year.
We have not played an away game thus far. The tournament games in November were neutral site games.
The Wake Forest game will be our first true away game. This game is huge and could make or break a NCAA tourney bid (if we can survive our SEC schedule). We will have to perform like we did in the second half against Houston to win. Tigers have potential, but far too inconsistent.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 10:32 am to GeauxTime9
Blakeney needs to assert hmself and create more 12-15 foot jumpers for himself off the dribble. He can elevate over anyone guarding him. If he did this he would find that he gets more open 3 pointers also. Thre is no excuse for him to have 2 points halfway through the second half.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 10:35 am to dj30
Tell me how we are exceeding expectations
Posted on 12/20/16 at 10:41 am to GeauxTime9
At least we don't have any "bad" losses so far. It seems like every year under JJ we have at least 2-3 of those heading into conference play.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:08 pm to ChEgrad
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Blakeney needs to assert himself and create more 12-15 foot jumpers for himself off the dribble.
See, I somewhat disagree with this. He was trying to drive and do just that last night and was getting shutdown and double teamed. He turned the ball over instead of dishing to a wide open teammate. Sometimes he presses too much, especially when he's not hitting too much. I saw one time last night, he got double teamed trying to drive, and instead of passing to Reath wide open on the blocks, the ball came loose and Victor ended up fouling trying to get the loose ball. Victor was pissed and you could see him telling Blakeney not to do too much. Take what they give you. He's going to be the focal point of opposing defenses from here on out.
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