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re: Thoughts, Comments, Concerns with Regards to Basketball (Long)

Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:07 pm to
Posted by NotRight37
Nashville, TN
Member since Jul 2014
5843 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:07 pm to
I agree with much of the OP's analysis. Last night was a horrible performance. Victor played well while actually participating. Hornsby is the only remotely consistent guard. Sure some games are better than others with Keith. Hopefully Sampson will get better next year, but he isn't there yet and may never be. The other three guards in game performances are akin to being Bi-Polar. Unfortunately LSU needs at least one to play well to win and two of them to play well to look good in winning. I'm sorry but Aaron, Elbert, Brian, and Darcy simply are not very good to be polite and sadly only Aaron has much potential. Ben is unique and very talented, but needs Craig in the game and two or three guards playing well for LSU to win. I agree that JJ is an average coach at best. If the Tigers win four more games I think they slide in and five more would cement that. I doubt three wins will do it and I'm including the SEC tourney.
Posted by Tigahbader
Nunya
Member since Oct 2014
767 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:18 pm to
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Going around saying "Told ya so" is a form of excitment




Im not doing this Butt. Gloating over your teams woes defines the worst kind of fan.
But anyone defending what we're doing on the court presently is simply being obtuse.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24273 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:18 pm to
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i went to the game and i thought the crowd was pretty good


It really did seem dead on TV until very late in the game. Our home crowds have been pretty good this year though.
Posted by ROUSTER
Member since Sep 2003
6884 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:26 pm to
Offensively, Blakeney was bad.

I still say Patterson is limited by an injury.

I think this team is overrated by many to a degree.
Simmons catches crap, but without him this team is a cellar dweller. Victor and Hornsby are good players.
Then what, a streaky AB. A bad combo of PG's. What else????????? Epps is somewhat serviceable on offense. Elbert is painfully slow and uncoordinated. Malone even more so. And Bridgewater would be a beast, if he were his brothers size.

This team is extremely limited. But, because of BS, CV, KH this team will be in most games. If the TQ shows up this team is different.
Posted by camplsu
Section 210
Member since Feb 2007
1527 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:44 pm to
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I still say Patterson is limited by an injury.


I am a member of the tip-off club and the coaches talk about injuries before every game. They have been very open about every injury and timelines for return. Recently they have made absolutely no mentions of Patterson being hurt or limited.

Earlier in the year, they talked about how Patterson was on limited minutes because of his injury that had him out earlier in the year. But right now he is a full go according to the coaches.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 1:45 pm
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:45 pm to
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Since other posters enjoy calling me out in threads, I figured I would make a thread in which y'all can come at me and save myself time searching.

First off, let's talk about last night. It sucked. I walked in the building at 7:25 and there were 500 people there and 25 students...I knew we were in trouble. The entire arena was dead 98% of the time and the team played that way. Alabama is a hot team, we missed some wide open shots and too many FT's. Victor got fouls, we tried to protect him by going to zone and our zone is awful. It's literally just straight awful. I have NEVER seen a zone that bad in my life. I have no idea what our coaches teach with zone principles, but it is terrible.

Secondly, I would be ok if LSU lost...as long as they played consistent. The road games weren't frustrating because we played hard, ran into foul trouble, tough road environments. But last night? Riley Norris got 16 rebounds...I don't even know what else to say besides Riley Norris got 16 rebounds. 16. Our effort was putrid from the start, and it makes it more upsetting because it was 2 bubble teams going head to head.

Thirdly, when will LSU ever get some breaks from the refs? I'm not remotely blaming the refs for the game, because we were 20/35 from the line, but there were a couple of calls that were game changers and just awful. Obasohan runs into the lane, arm bars Victor and gets an and1 with 10 minutes left. This gives Craig 4 fouls and allows Bama 3 points. The real issue is we suck at FT's. But when you call a foul and Obasohan shoots 2 ft's then you let Simmons shoot FT's...it's not the same. In the 2nd half they took the ball out of the players' hands and made it a FT contest and we will lose that. Sure, that is squarely on the team to shoot better, but it's still a shitty way to play basketball.

Fourthly, I have defended Ben this entire season, I will continue to do so...but it's getting upsetting. Duke beat UNC because their only 2 good players shot 39 shots combined. Brandon Ingram shot 21 (only 7/21...but still). If Ben shot 21 shots, I'm pretty positive he would get roughly 40 points. And I get that it has to be tiring driving to the goal every pay, but Ben NEVER seems tired. He just coasts so much. I keep hoping the light will come on while he's at LSU (in the sense that one game he just shoots 30 times and let's the world know), but I'm afraid that's going to happen in the NBA. We will look back in 10 years and be blown away with who he has become...but we won't see it. It's a shame because 19/12/5 should be good enough, but it's not. So Ben needs to realize it's not and step it up, because he is more than capable.

Fifthly, Johnny Jones is an average coach. He's not terrible, he's not good. He cannot coach a zone defense to save his life, and we always suck at FT's under him. I was in the arena for the downfall of Brady and Trent...we are not CLOSE to that. You have to give the man props for getting us back to being a respectable team. We are vastly underachieving at this point, but the program is not going into the ground. If we don't make the tourney I want him on the hot seat (and we won't be that good next year if everyone leaves so essentially he will be fired in a year), but we are not a powerhouse program. We have made back to back tourneys once in the last 20+ years...why is there such a false impression of basketball around here? Because Shaq and CJ were awesome 25 years ago? We have the 12th highest paid coach in the SEC, yet we finish in the top half of the SEC routinely.

Lastly, I'm sorry...I'm not sorry that I take a positive stand on LSU basketball. LSU has major holes in many facets of their game...but so does EVERYONE. Duke won with basically 5 players last night. Iowa lost at Penn State. Oklahoma lost again on the road. It is a CRAZY basketball season. LSU is far far farrrrr from out of this thing. I'm not gonna feel bad because I take a stance of wanting LSU to succeed and rather be wrong, than sit there and criticize EVERYTHING then come on here bragging about how "right" I was. I am thoroughly convinced there is a large group of posters that watch the games and they somewhat cheer for the other team. They do this just so they can come on here and throw their dicks around. LSU wins against A&M, there were 7 posts about basketball on the front page. I walked out the arena, got to my car, pulled up TD and holy shite...I've never seen so much bashing. Do I take LSU basketball way too seriously? You bet I do, I'm aware of that. I've traveled around the country this year for them, I've put job offers on hold so I can have more freedom and flexibility in my schedule, only to be let down soooo much. Everyone has passions and hobbies, LSU basketball is one of my biggest passions...so you can imagine how supremely disappointed I am on a regular basis.

Overall, I am disappointed with this season and team. I will criticize and be unhappy, but the level some of you bring it to is unheard of. We're supposed to all be LSU fans, but very few actually seem like it. A big part of me wants to stop posting and doing previews...but I realized that you would win, so I'm not. I'm gonna do it for the handful of people that enjoy my previews, and because I like learning about the other teams.

Rant Over...down vote away...I really don't care at this point.



brotato chip............every word was spot on. I am with you. nice write up. internet trolls are everywhere. most of the haters are trying to make their pathetic existence seem better by finding extreme faults in everything. what a bunch of miserable fricks.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127413 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:49 pm to
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It is nice to see people so excited we lost, though.

Statements like this are where you're gonna lose people.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
14930 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:21 pm to
Ok? Not really concerned with that. As Camp posted earlier (which I had no control over), he linked a "fan" saying he openly hopes we lose to CJJ is fired. That is not the first time it has been mentioned either.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202955 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:25 pm to
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he linked a "fan" saying he openly hopes we lose to CJJ is fired. That is not the first time it has been mentioned either.



Which is sad... And you love to bring it up when it happens... Look.. LSU will be mediocre at best until they invest in a top notch coach. Smart, at Texas is a great example. LSU had him right there and made no offer. Texas will be great for years to come.......I am not a JJ hater, But LSU COULD do a lot better.........
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202955 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:27 pm to
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brotato chip............every word was spot on. I am with you. nice write up. internet trolls are everywhere. most of the haters are trying to make their pathetic existence seem better by finding extreme faults in everything. what a bunch of miserable fricks.








You are SOOOO Pathetic.... Mr. Know-it-all..............
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35406 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:31 pm to
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Ok? Not really concerned with that. As Camp posted earlier (which I had no control over), he linked a "fan" saying he openly hopes we lose to CJJ is fired. That is not the first time it has been mentioned either.
That's not the worst statement in the world. I think he just feels that with CJJ we are going to constantly under perform. Personally I would like to see the admin have the guts to get a new coach even after an above .500 season instead of having to suffer multiple bad seasons like we did under Trent.
Posted by RUKidding
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
1070 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:03 pm to
Yah, I thought the game last night sucked too.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:02 pm to
I'm sorry, but the refs and fouls complaining is too damn funny.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:54 pm to
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Bama consistently grabbed and pulled on Ben. Obvious fouls.


If there were fouls committed against Ben that weren't called, then thank goodness. If they'd called more, we would have got beaten even worse. Wasting a possession by driving the lane, getting fouled and missing the free throw(s) is the same as committing a turnover. We had too many of those already last night, so we sure didn't need any more.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
14930 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:56 pm to
It's been mentioned like 20 times...it has nothing to do with number of fouls. Avery Johnson talked the refs into giving Obasohan 2 FT's when it was bullshite, Obasohan drew a 4th foul on Victor that was complete horseshite and forced us to play zone which was the death sentenced for us
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