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re: Thoughts, Comments, Concerns with Regards to Basketball (Long)

Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:02 am to
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:02 am to
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Just because they do take some 3's on a fast break doesn't make them bad shots.


What about the threes taken with 22 seconds still on the shot clock and not a single pass has been made within the framework of the offense? Sort of the ol', "I'm shooting this as soon as I get a look" concept. We've done a lot of that this year.

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I doubt he coaches them to take bad shots.


I don't think he necessarily coaches them to do that, but he doesn't correct it either. It happens all the time.
Posted by Pnels08
Member since Jul 2014
9179 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:02 am to
yea Tim did the move you do when you are 8 and playing basketball in your driveway with your buddy thinking it looks cool



JUST FINISH THE DAMN BUCKET
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:03 am to
Quarterman and Gray are really the only players that have terrible basketball IQ, though.

Simmons certainly doesn't. If you listen to Hornsby in his post-game, dude sounds like a coach. Blakeney isn't a super smart player, but I don't think he's an idiot out there. His biggest flaw might be thinking too much sometimes.

We play terrible basketball, for the most part, and that is a reflection of the coach, IMO.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
14930 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:03 am to
We had JOB...other than that we didn't have anything remotely special. Then Johnny brought in Shavon. But any team that has to start a walk-on Tuba player is not very good. Our big men were ADP, JOB, Ludwig, Jalen Courtney. 3/4 are terrible. I loved Stringer, but he was very limited what he could do. He was an average SEC player, and a good 4-year guy. Hickey was a worse TQ because you never know what you would get.

Last year Auburn had Bowers (who has regressed this year, but was a double double guy last year), Harrell, Canada, Mason...if CJJ brought our 2012-13 to 9-9 in the SEC, Bruce should have done better than 4-14

But this is neither here nor there
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 11:04 am
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:04 am to

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Like the play against Oklahoma where the whole arena was waiting for the Patterson-to-Simmons lob. Instead, we get an anticlimactic Simmons tip-in.

Last night, when we passed the ball around like a hot potato in the lane, and then Blakeney finally kicked it out to someone (I think it was Hornsby) for a missed three.


Another one last night when ben drove on the left block and spun attempting to use his right hand. Why the hell didnt he arm bar with his right and use his dominate and to finish strong?
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:06 am to
Ben hates his left hand.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
14930 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:06 am to
It's weird to say, but he just isn't dominant finishing with his left hand. I'm not ambidextrous so I have no idea how it feels, but he's right handed completely when he gets into the lane.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67589 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:07 am to
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I don't think he necessarily coaches them to do that, but he doesn't correct it either. It happens all the time.


my point is how is he going to correct it? He has nobody to play if he benches them. He has to be as frustrated with TQ and JG as the fans are.

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What about the threes taken with 22 seconds still on the shot clock and not a single pass has been made within the framework of the offense?


I bet 95% of those are by TQ...and yes they are terrible but I still wonder what the hell our offense is. I see AB sit in the wing/corner and never move.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
14930 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:09 am to
TQ was 1/8 shooting 3's last night. TQ is trying to prove to scouts he can shoot 3's...but he can't. If TQ shot less than 3 3's a game and focused more on driving, we would be way better
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67589 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:10 am to
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Quarterman and Gray are really the only players that have terrible basketball IQ, though.


and they are who I am talking about. They guys who are supposed to be running our offense

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Blakeney isn't a super smart player, but I don't think he's an idiot out there. His biggest flaw might be thinking too much sometimes.


I think he has played very smart. He rarely takes bad shots. I almost think he needs to look to get more involved b/c he can create his own shot. He gets tentative at times.
Posted by lsufan251875
Member since Jul 2008
3159 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:10 am to
What's really concerning to me is that there is one sure win left on the schedule.

I think a lot of people are chalking up Florida as a win, but those solid half-court defensive teams are Jones' worst match-up.

Asking any team to win back to back road conference games is a lot.

I just don't understand how a single school can be so bad at FT's that it's become our identity. Can anyone tell me when LSU has finished a season with a FT% higher than 75%? Or is that just an unreasonable expectation?
Posted by camplsu
Section 210
Member since Feb 2007
1527 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:11 am to
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I don't think he necessarily coaches them to do that, but he doesn't correct it either. It happens all the time.



I have actually heard Johnny talk about pushing tempo and that he encourages quick shots to force the pace of the game. Especially against teams that like to slow it down. It forces more of a frantic pace.

Now whether or not you agree with it is another question. But he does encourage this.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 11:12 am
Posted by Tigahbader
Nunya
Member since Oct 2014
767 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:11 am to
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My issue is we have people on this board that do root against the team. Honestly, that is what pisses me the frick off.



I have never...nor will I ever...pull against any team that LSU fields. I want to go dancing as much as anyone. But this program....currently....is in a perpetual state of "one step forward.....and two steps back."
I don't know....at this point.....whether its the players or coaches or a combination of both (probably this). But the bottom line is, we cant stand prosperity and its frustrating as hell.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45050 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:12 am to
The funny part is that Wade Sims is the EXACT same. He is a righty but only finishes around the rim with his left hand. Go watch his higlights and you swear he plays just like ben.

Idk I cant figure out a single thing with this team. Honrsby wasnt playing in clutch time until recently. Q gets entirely too much PT. Johnny has given up on Sampson (who is like Q freshman year). Some games we make FT's and others we dont. Victor breathes and its a foul, but yet we are dominating teams in terms of FT's/fouls called.

Its like dating a bipolar chick who can shape shift as well. Some days she is normal and skinny while you are drunk. Then when you are stone cold sober she is fat and crazy. One day you want out ASAP and others its heaven.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:14 am to
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and they are who I am talking about. They guys who are supposed to be running our offense

Quarterman shouldn't start.

It would be an awkward lineup without a true point guard, but I think our best starting lineup right now would be Patterson, Hornsby, Blakeney, Simmons, Victor.

Simmons can handle the ball enough to take some pressure off of our guards.

Posted by lsufan251875
Member since Jul 2008
3159 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:14 am to
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TQ was 1/8 shooting 3's last night. TQ is trying to prove to scouts he can shoot 3's...but he can't. If TQ shot less than 3 3's a game and focused more on driving, we would be way better


I wanted to turn the game off when he took the ball down the court, dribbled for about 4 seconds, and took a 20'8" contested two point shot.
Posted by bubbz
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
22815 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:15 am to
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LSUButt


Butt, thanks for your contributions and your previews. I appreciate them and look forward to reading them weekly.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61823 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:17 am to
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I bet 95% of those are by TQ...and yes they are terrible but I still wonder what the hell our offense is.


Yes, TQ and earlier this year Blakeney was doing it as well, and I think it led to his struggles. Now that he is more patient and waits for the ball to go inside and then get kicked back out he is knocking them down (but not last night).
Posted by mdtiger1
Great Northwest Louisiana
Member since Jan 2005
1434 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:17 am to
Absolutely brilliant post and spot on. Every time I've brought myself to peek in on LSU basketball they seem to suck like a Hoover. Since Trent left it has been better but still no free throw shooting is just horrible. How is it coach after coach with any number of players the same crappy FT shooting? If they shoot 80% last night it is a victory
I have NEVER seen a basketball team consistently botch shots standing UNDER the goal. It is uncanny how this happens game after game.
Simmons? Yep, he is good and probably could do better. He is the self proclaimed best player but he sure sucked last night. Of course, the whole team did.
As far as referees go - they suck every bit as badly as the FB ones do. I don't know what it is about Victor being a foul magnet! I officiated basketball 20 years and I never targeted a player because of rep, size, aggressiveness, etc. If you foul you foul! They also call too many ticky tacky fouls and destroy the rhythm of the game. I WANT to watch good basketball win or lose. It's just not very good anywhere right now. I don't think the SEC will fare well in the tournament regardless of who makes it.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
14930 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 11:17 am to
Quarterman is the sole problem. I hate just putting it on one player, but it seems if he's out the lineup he pouts. But when he's in the lineup he's playing like a complete a-hole.

I'm very disappointed in the fact that CJJ hasn't once tried to play Ben at the PG.
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