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re: This board is poison!
Posted on 10/14/09 at 6:54 pm to drizztiger
Posted on 10/14/09 at 6:54 pm to drizztiger
Certainly the last 19 games are cause for concern. The last 7 look much better, however. I suppose that I am choosing to believe that we are on the upside of a turnaround from a bad season.
It's just the relentless negativity that I abhor. How can that be enjoyable for anyone to torture themselves so?
I find that when I invest and beleive, the reward for so doing in victory is far greater. Sure, it makes the disappointments more bitter, but I think the trade is worth it.
It's just the relentless negativity that I abhor. How can that be enjoyable for anyone to torture themselves so?
I find that when I invest and beleive, the reward for so doing in victory is far greater. Sure, it makes the disappointments more bitter, but I think the trade is worth it.
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 7:00 pm to Tiger Phil
Yeah. Bel Biv Devoe. That's exactly what's been playin in my head.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 7:02 pm to Tiger Phil
I don't think we're much different then with the exception of "believe that we are on the upside of a turnaround from a bad season". I think the trend is showing a downward decline of the program and the current 5-1 record is more of an illusion.
I can attest, as can all of my family and close friends, how great I felt on January 4, 2004. There have been many games, both victories and losses that I've enjoyed witnessing.
My vocalization of my opinions on this board does not make me a sour person or fan. It's actually an opportunity for me to express my concerns about something that I am passionate.
I can attest, as can all of my family and close friends, how great I felt on January 4, 2004. There have been many games, both victories and losses that I've enjoyed witnessing.
My vocalization of my opinions on this board does not make me a sour person or fan. It's actually an opportunity for me to express my concerns about something that I am passionate.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 7:26 pm to mytigger
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To fire the coaches and rebuild with a 5-1 record is crazy
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And only an idiot would advocate this.
I think that the vast majority of ranters would love for LSU to do this. The question is: Then What? Saban ain't coming back - get over it! Let's support Les Miles. He made adjustments at the end of the season last year and I'm confident he'll do what needs to be done when the time is right.
I think most people expected this to be a 9-3 season with 10-2 being great. That's still something we can achieve.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 7:30 pm to Tiger Phil
Correct of course. But you have to remember one thing. This board is the classic cliche of sports as evidenced by: 1) Everything is the head coaches fault even if a guy lines up offsides
2) The best player on the roster is the 2nd string QB
3) Defense is measured by one thing and one thing only....a pass rush
If you understand these 3 items, you realize some of the viewpoints of some of these people. They are caricatures of college football fair weather fans.
This post was edited on 10/14/09 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 10/14/09 at 7:30 pm to Tomm
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This board is poiiiiiisssssooonnnnn.... poison you know....dat dat ta dat da dat dat da dat dat ...
Posted on 10/14/09 at 7:31 pm to zappgator
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I think that the vast majority of ranters would love for LSU to do this.
I think you are vastly overestimating. I'll argue in threads about Miles vs. Saban, but I do not think Miles should be fired.
I do think he should be given the opportunity to correct the ship. We were 5-1 at this time last year if you remember. The problem this year is offense, that is Miles specialty, right? I'm more concerned with a "wait til next year" attitude. That's been very visible on here. We're losing tons of talent this year and to expect us to start playing well next year, every year... sounds too Saints-ish to me.
Les needs to fix the ship, play some good football and everything takes care of itself. If not, then he doesn't need blind support either.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 7:32 pm to Tiger Phil
C'mon Phil.
You must know some miserable people in your life, the kind of people that make train wrecks look organized.
The kind of people who serve as cautionary tales for the rest of us.
Well now they have somewhere to post their thoughts.
Be happy they are off the streets.
You must know some miserable people in your life, the kind of people that make train wrecks look organized.
The kind of people who serve as cautionary tales for the rest of us.
Well now they have somewhere to post their thoughts.
Be happy they are off the streets.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 7:37 pm to Tiger Phil
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How in the world can you guys possibly find any enjoyment in watching the Tigers when all you do is wait for any slip up, large or small, and then devour it and go online and tell everyone how horrible this team - YOUR TEAM - is? How can that be fun for you?
You nailed it, Phil. losers, quitters and wannabe's come here to gleefully ravage a 5-1 team whose only blemish came at the hands of the #1 team in the country. It's the only enjoyment their limited intellect can conjur. Monty Python described them best..."tiny-brained wipers of other persons bottoms."
Posted on 10/14/09 at 7:38 pm to drizztiger
Heck, I agree that LSU has not met expectations this year.
But to extrapolate that into "LSU is going to lose the rest of their SEC games" or "Les is a freaking idiot" is what I just can't understand.
But to extrapolate that into "LSU is going to lose the rest of their SEC games" or "Les is a freaking idiot" is what I just can't understand.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 7:39 pm to byubengalboy
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Here's a major reason why many LSU football fans are upset/concerned/frustrated/pissed about where the football program sits right now.
I've heard many great coaches talk about results oriented evaluation vs performance oriented evaluation. Bertman spoke of this often in his speeches. Lombardi, Chuck Knoll, Wooden & many others have all mentioned this in some form or fashion & it makes perfect sense.
The basic premise is that at certain times (during a season, during a game, during a drive, during an inning) it is more important to be concerned only with results....the outcome, regardless of how you get that result. Example is with a runner on 3rd, < 2 outs, infield back, you can have as bad a swing as you want as long as you hit a ground ball & score the run. There are only so many instances when results oriented trumps performance oriented.
The vast majority of the time, however, players & coaches are performance oriented in their evaluation b/c in the long run, that is what will determine success (including wins & losses).
Dismissing the downward trend in the performance of this program over the past years is a bad move IMO. Hyping a 5-1 YTD record is results oriented & is fool's gold. What if we'd played TU & LT b/4 UF? We'd be 7-0 with the most difficult teams yet to play. The only record that matters is at season's end. We were 5-1 last year & finished terrible. It could easitly happen this year unless major adjustments are made. Objectively looking at the way the team has played the past 2 years, I can't think of any reason drastic adjustments will be made.
If you think that the performance of this program is at a high level then fine, I wish I had your blind, peaches & cream outlook. If you're happy with a 5-1 record, you're results oriented and not focused on the big picture.
Two years ago (when the performance started going down), many people wondered how many times LSU could pull out the closest of close wins. Last year the results caught up to the performance. This year, with the most diffucult part of the SEC schedule ahead, it's likely to happen again unless there are huge changes.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 7:40 pm to drizztiger
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You do not get to be a head coach at a school like LSU without learning several things about football and people along the way
Signed,
Curley Hallman
Signed,
Joe Dean
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:04 pm to evil cockroach
That's cute. But I think we can definitively say that the hiring requirements at LSU are higher now than they were in the 80s and 90s.
People on this board actually beleive that Les Miles would rather be right than win games. Yes. Really. And that this will be the downfall of LSU as we know it.
My point is that Miles knows what's going on with his team. He wants to win games as much or more than we want to win, the difference is that he had the expertise and the opportunity to actually do something. He will nit sit idly by while the ship sinks.
People on this board actually beleive that Les Miles would rather be right than win games. Yes. Really. And that this will be the downfall of LSU as we know it.
My point is that Miles knows what's going on with his team. He wants to win games as much or more than we want to win, the difference is that he had the expertise and the opportunity to actually do something. He will nit sit idly by while the ship sinks.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:07 pm to Tiger Phil
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This board is poison!
How do you know? Me and the crew used to do her...
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:08 pm to mytigger
Damn. I'm Germans!
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:09 pm to Tiger Phil
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But I think we can definitively say that the hiring requirements at LSU are higher now than they were in the 80s and 90s.
How was Les Miles particularly qualified?
Seriously, was it his 7-5 record his last season at OSU? The fact he lost 5 of his last 7 games that season (his fourth at OSU)?
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:14 pm to drizztiger
His tenure at Oklahoma St was far better than any of his predescesors.
And he had pretty good results his first three years here.
And he had pretty good results his first three years here.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:14 pm to drizztiger
His tenure at Oklahoma St was far better than any of his predescesors.
And he had pretty good results his first three years here.
And he had pretty good results his first three years here.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:17 pm to Tiger Phil
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And he had pretty good results his first three years here.
Of course, that is after the hiring requirements.
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His tenure at Oklahoma St was far better than any of his predescesors.
He improved OSU. I agree with that. He also went 7-5 losing 5 of his last 7 before we hired him. Not sure our requirements were that improved.
This post was edited on 10/14/09 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 10/14/09 at 8:20 pm to drizztiger
But I would argue that those first three years validated the hire.
Check the "arrogance" thread. This is just what I am referring to. People, Miles is vague when he talks about the team in public. He is now and always has been. Get used to it for cryin out loud!
Check the "arrogance" thread. This is just what I am referring to. People, Miles is vague when he talks about the team in public. He is now and always has been. Get used to it for cryin out loud!
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