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re: The future of LSU basketball
Posted on 1/17/15 at 8:37 pm to bayoubengal225
Posted on 1/17/15 at 8:37 pm to bayoubengal225
I was there too. It was tough seeing everyone around me wanting to get rowdy and have the PMAC come unglued, but our guys just couldn't deliver.
their time here wil not have been a waste regardless. They were the first to show recruits that it's cool to play basketball at LSU since Pierre was landing blue chips.
Plus, if the season plays out like it has, they might realize that staying is their best option. I hope at least one of them comes to that realization
their time here wil not have been a waste regardless. They were the first to show recruits that it's cool to play basketball at LSU since Pierre was landing blue chips.
Plus, if the season plays out like it has, they might realize that staying is their best option. I hope at least one of them comes to that realization
This post was edited on 1/17/15 at 8:44 pm
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Posted on 1/17/15 at 8:43 pm to tigerbait2010
I hope so too but I just don't see it. Seems like every kid these days is just chasing the money and not the experience.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 10:18 pm to tigerbait2010
Looks bad real bad, need to get a real coach. JJ has proved he can't even coach with great talent.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 11:00 pm to speckhead
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Looks bad real bad
get the frick out of here
Posted on 1/17/15 at 11:02 pm to TJG210
Wholly crap. as an avid LSU fan for 40 freaggin years and a lowly basketball coach for 15 I gotta poke and ask people to give me a freaggin break.
just like Dale Brown, every fan on earth disses his basketball IQ and coaching intelligence.
GIve me a break...... every school has ballers
Coaches let players play through timeouts because they are learning lessons as to how to communicate with each other without a coach telling them. You know like IN THE GAME communication. The kind that wins.
And for those lamenting the players' IQ's.... who else could possibly win it all for us?
Smart guys who are that athletic go to Duke or -- if they're only going to go pro after one year-----don't go to college!!!!!! they'd go straight to the professional ranks over seas, for a year, and get paid immediately.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 11:06 pm to speckhead
Great talent? The frick are you talking about? Our two best players are projected as mid 2nd rounders at best. You're acting like we have 8 five stars like Kentucky.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 11:13 pm to BobBarker
It still should not be unrealistic though to take care of business more often. This is 2 games now where we completely blew it, and we are not in a position to blow games.
This post was edited on 1/17/15 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 1/17/15 at 11:17 pm to HSHoopscoach
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And for those lamenting the players' IQ's.... who else could possibly win it all for us?
I agreed with most of your post, but even the players and coaches are saying in the press conferences the low percentage shots have got to come to an end
Posted on 1/17/15 at 11:21 pm to BobBarker
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Great talent? The frick are you talking about? Our two best players are projected as mid 2nd rounders at best. You're acting like we have 8 five stars like Kentucky.
Ive seen both projected in the first round by various places.
Even then, people acting like being drafted in the 2nd round is bad, it's a HUGE accomplishment
There are only 60 draft slots and there's roughly what, 350 Division I basketball programs. If the average scholarship players per school was only 10, that's 3500 scholarship players who at the end of the season can all put themselves eligible for the NBA draft. That means if you're 1 of the 60 guys selected in the draft you're in the top 2% of college basketball talent...that's a HUGE deal.
Mickey and Martin will both get selected in the NBA draft, and both very likely will leave after this season. Quarterman will eventually be selected as well, possibly after his junior season.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 11:32 pm to tigerbait2010
quote:I agree that the future of LSU basketball is OK, but damn, I disagree with nearly every one of your reasons. Blaming a 6'4" power forward who didn't play and a "clumsy" 7'0" Australian who provided quality minutes doesn't make sense. Not to mention your abuse of two short guards who gave their all for LSU.
That was a really difficult loss to witness, no doubt. For the second straight year, the team plays in front of a 10k crowd and blew its wad. It sucks, and there's no way to sugar coat that.
However, some of you need to take a step away from the ledge. It wasn't two seasons ago LSU had 2 5"8 starting guards, an unfilled OOC schedule, an unfilled allotment of scholarships, and a tuba player getting significant minutes. LSU has really come a long way, as painful as the Mizzou and A&M losses were. Just look at Mike Anderson. He's proven at building programs into national powers, and he had the same type of losses with probably MORE talent than what we have at Arkansas. In year 4, Arkansas is now ranked and only getting better
Believe me, no one is more confused than me as to why Jones hates timeouts given our lack of post depth. But I just think we have to come to terms that the team has an absurdly low iq, and there are a lot of new guys in the lineup that need more chemistry building. We have a 6'4" power forward and a clumsy Australian at center. Anyone who thinks the rebuilding process is over is a complete fool.
The fans have good reason to be pissed, but my best advice is just to be patient. It's not like A&M doesn't have good talent. The difference between LSU being an elite 8 team and a bubble team next season will be mickey and martin. Those two are absolute fools if they think they're NBA ready. Martin needs to be much more aggressive and quit making his NBA case by taking low percentage shots; that alone killed us. Mickey is an NBA 3 who doesn't have a jump shot. It'll be crucial to make sure those two know how much their stock will go up by playing with Blakeney, Simmons, Victor, and Lyle.
Geaux tigahs
The team had a down game against a lively opponent. Gray had a bad game, TQ had a bad game, the entire team settled for jump shots and looked lethargic. I think they will recover.
Coach Jones looks like he is trying to regain his in game mojo and re-learn how to sub, and Gray is adapting from a shoot first guard to a playmaker. Malone is getting confidence every game and TQ just looked a bit hobbled.
This post was edited on 1/17/15 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 1/17/15 at 11:38 pm to mmcgrath
I meant the season results as a whole in reference to Bridgewater. I'm grateful for the hard work and dedication these guys put into the program, but that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge that having a 6'4" power forward is a problem
and describing my reference to having two 5'8" guards as "abusive" is quite the overreaction. I enjoyed watching Stringer and Hickey at LSU, but again, that doesn't mean we can't address the "elephant in the room". their height cost LSU many times. With that said, I didn't even trash them. There's nothing wrong with saying that having two 5'8" guards starting in major college basketball is a disadvantage. Also, if Hickey "gave it his all for lSU", he'd still be at LSU.
and describing my reference to having two 5'8" guards as "abusive" is quite the overreaction. I enjoyed watching Stringer and Hickey at LSU, but again, that doesn't mean we can't address the "elephant in the room". their height cost LSU many times. With that said, I didn't even trash them. There's nothing wrong with saying that having two 5'8" guards starting in major college basketball is a disadvantage. Also, if Hickey "gave it his all for lSU", he'd still be at LSU.
This post was edited on 1/17/15 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 1/17/15 at 11:48 pm to tigerbait2010
quote:Personally, I think he should never play at power forward without a shot blocker behind him. I would like to see him at small forward for a bit. He could abuse other small forwards offensively.
I meant the season results as a whole in reference to Bridgewater. I'm grateful for the hard work and dedication these guys put into the program, but that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge that having a 6'4" power forward is a problem
In any case he is one sub. On the other hand CJJ is responsible for his bench right now too.
quote:I think that is a mistake. We had poor perimeter defense this season as well. Ole Miss was the exception, but I think that cost this team in a lot of effort. I believe that recognizing good shooters as a team was the bigger problem.
their height cost LSU many times.
This post was edited on 1/17/15 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 1/18/15 at 12:15 am to mmcgrath
I'm ok with JJ....LSU has two good players and four guys that are decent but not consistent: KH, JG, TQ, and I'll put Patterson in there as he is improving. The rest of them are just not very good at this point. Darcy is improving a bit, but he has a long way to go.
If the M@M come back, LSU could be top 10 team next year, if one comes back top 20. If both leave which may be likely, it will depend on the two one and done types next year with help from the hopefully improving vets.
If the M@M come back, LSU could be top 10 team next year, if one comes back top 20. If both leave which may be likely, it will depend on the two one and done types next year with help from the hopefully improving vets.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 8:45 am to tigerbait2010
Don't miss free throws. Always comes down to this.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 9:03 am to Old Money
This is how I see it going down. Johnny Jones will be here at least 2 more years. Mickey & Martin leave this year, Simmons and Blakeny come in an "one and done". We still only make it to the NIT next year and powers that be start to question JJ as the future. Then one more year and no tournament appearance and he's fired.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 9:03 am to tigerbait2010
You people are dumbasses. They lost a game big deal nobody outside of Baton Rouge has talked about lsu basketball in atleast 5 years. Quit being a bitch
Posted on 1/18/15 at 9:24 am to tigerbait2010
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but even the players and coaches are saying in the press conferences the low percentage shots have got to come to an end
And they've been saying it all year and it keeps happening. That's the concern.
Just like last year when the post game refrain was always, we've got to communicate better on defense and we kept hearing it right till the end and it kept happening right till the end.
There is a disconnect.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 12:10 pm to tigerbait2010
After next year when Simmons is gone, they can re-light the dumpster.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 12:37 pm to tigerbait2010
First of all give A&M some credit. They have some talent(especially the guards) and played good defense.
Second we still should have beat them handily. Why didn't we? We shot way too many three's in the second half, had too many turnovers(Josh Gray comeon!) and allowed way too many easy layups.
Everyone just looks at the spectacular blocks and says we are a great defensive team without looking at how many point blank buckets we give up. It seems any team in the league can pound it inside and get baskets on us.
Second we still should have beat them handily. Why didn't we? We shot way too many three's in the second half, had too many turnovers(Josh Gray comeon!) and allowed way too many easy layups.
Everyone just looks at the spectacular blocks and says we are a great defensive team without looking at how many point blank buckets we give up. It seems any team in the league can pound it inside and get baskets on us.
Posted on 1/18/15 at 1:37 pm to Tom Bronco
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Everyone just looks at the spectacular blocks and says we are a great defensive team without looking at how many point blank buckets we give up. It seems any team in the league can pound it inside and get baskets on us.
I haven't seen very many posts at all saying we're a great defensive team, but I agree with your main point.
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