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The future of LSU basketball
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:17 pm
That was a really difficult loss to witness, no doubt. For the second straight year, the team played in front of a 10k crowd and blew its wad. It sucks, and there's no way to sugar coat that.
However, some of you need to take a step away from the ledge. It wasn't two seasons ago LSU had 2 5"8 starting guards, an unfilled OOC schedule, an unfilled allotment of scholarships, and a tuba player getting significant minutes. LSU has really come a long way, as painful as the Mizzou and A&M losses were. Just look at Mike Anderson. He's proven at building programs into national powers, and he had the same type of losses with probably MORE talent than what we have at Arkansas. In year 4, Arkansas is now ranked and only getting better
Believe me, no one is more confused than me as to why Jones hates timeouts given our lack of post depth. But I just think we have to come to terms that the team has an absurdly low basketball iq, and there are a lot of new guys in the lineup that need more chemistry building. We have a 6'4" power forward and a clumsy 7 footer in Malone for depth. Anyone who thinks the rebuilding process is over is a complete fool.
The fans have good reason to be pissed, but my best advice is just to be patient. It's not like A&M doesn't have good talent. The difference between LSU being an elite 8 team and a bubble team next season will be mickey and martin. Those two are absolute fools if they think they're NBA ready. Martin needs to be much more aggressive and quit making his NBA case by taking low percentage shots; that alone killed us. Mickey is an NBA 3 who doesn't have a jump shot. It'll be crucial to make sure those two know how much their stock will go up by playing with Blakeney, Simmons, Victor, and Lyle.
Geaux tigahs
However, some of you need to take a step away from the ledge. It wasn't two seasons ago LSU had 2 5"8 starting guards, an unfilled OOC schedule, an unfilled allotment of scholarships, and a tuba player getting significant minutes. LSU has really come a long way, as painful as the Mizzou and A&M losses were. Just look at Mike Anderson. He's proven at building programs into national powers, and he had the same type of losses with probably MORE talent than what we have at Arkansas. In year 4, Arkansas is now ranked and only getting better
Believe me, no one is more confused than me as to why Jones hates timeouts given our lack of post depth. But I just think we have to come to terms that the team has an absurdly low basketball iq, and there are a lot of new guys in the lineup that need more chemistry building. We have a 6'4" power forward and a clumsy 7 footer in Malone for depth. Anyone who thinks the rebuilding process is over is a complete fool.
The fans have good reason to be pissed, but my best advice is just to be patient. It's not like A&M doesn't have good talent. The difference between LSU being an elite 8 team and a bubble team next season will be mickey and martin. Those two are absolute fools if they think they're NBA ready. Martin needs to be much more aggressive and quit making his NBA case by taking low percentage shots; that alone killed us. Mickey is an NBA 3 who doesn't have a jump shot. It'll be crucial to make sure those two know how much their stock will go up by playing with Blakeney, Simmons, Victor, and Lyle.
Geaux tigahs
This post was edited on 1/17/15 at 11:47 pm
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Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:18 pm to tigerbait2010
LSU get's better year after year. I'm pissed today no doubt, but I still think we can get better. Just wish JJ could learn some in game coaching skills.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:20 pm to catholictigerfan
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LSU get's better year after year. I'm pissed today no doubt, but I still think we can get better. Just wish JJ could learn some in game coaching skills.
I just don't understand why we shy away from timeouts when the post players need a breather. We also pull a "john brady" and refuse to call timeouts until the lead is completely lost
with that said, Jones has to be pissed that our team loves nothing more than to jack up shots 5 seconds into the shot clock. it's not like that's part of his gameplan
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:21 pm to catholictigerfan
What was better about that? Same exact thing as last year. Just because we have "m&m" and all these stars coming doesn't mean this team is getting better. Same shite different year.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:25 pm to LSUTIGERS8181
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What was better about that?
well, statistically they're playing better basketball. To say Martin hasn't improved over the past year doesn't make any sense.
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Just because we have "m&m" and all these stars coming doesn't mean this team is getting better.
this year's LSU team would have beaten last year's A&M teamby 10-15 points. they're not even a bad team by any stretch. Plus, we have a clumsy 7 ft Australian and a 6'4" power forward for depth in the post. it almost has to be the "M&M" show
This post was edited on 1/17/15 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:25 pm to tigerbait2010
Great post! Agree, and you hit the nail on the head with the comment about basketball IQ. We don't have enough of it. I understand turnovers from being aggressive but when you give the ball away like LSU does it goes back to basketball savvy. I slightly disagree with you on Martin. I think he's too aggressive sometimes. He needs to gather himself and put the damn ball in the basket. Mickey could use a little patience too.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:28 pm to Rjlebla
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Great post! Agree, and you hit the nail on the head with the comment about basketball IQ. We don't have enough of it. I understand turnovers from being aggressive but when you give the ball away like LSU does it goes back to basketball savvy. I slightly disagree with you on Martin. I think he's too aggressive sometimes. He needs to gather himself and put the damn ball in the basket. Mickey could use a little patience too.
you're right , but today was circumstantial. he could have taken over this game having no fouls with under five minutes left in the game
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:29 pm to tigerbait2010
The addition of Simmons,Blakeney and Lyle adds three guys who can create their own shots, something this team desperately needs. Simmons and Lyle are pretty adept at creating for others also.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:29 pm to tigerbait2010
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The future of LSU basketball
Looks like it could be a good year next year if everybody is back. What is up after that?
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:30 pm to AGENT225
I know it's not cool with college kids today(and for years now), but I hope the future of LSU Hoops has the usage of the glass and that nice fat white painted square.
It kills me watching so many college and NBA players today, miss so many close looks, especially fast driving slashes where some inertia needs to be taken out of the ball..
And/or wing/angled shots by smalls needing some elevation vs taller players..that don't use bank.
If players today would just watch a few hours footage of Iceman Gervin or Pistol Pete utilizing the glass to their advantage, taking the starch out of the ball..they'd deepen their repertoire and skillset.
It kills me watching so many college and NBA players today, miss so many close looks, especially fast driving slashes where some inertia needs to be taken out of the ball..
And/or wing/angled shots by smalls needing some elevation vs taller players..that don't use bank.
If players today would just watch a few hours footage of Iceman Gervin or Pistol Pete utilizing the glass to their advantage, taking the starch out of the ball..they'd deepen their repertoire and skillset.
This post was edited on 1/17/15 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:34 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR I know it's not cool with college kids today(and for years now), but I hope the future of LSU Hoops has the usage of the glass and that nice fat white painted square.
Preach brother!
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:38 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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I know it's not cool with college kids today(and for years now), but I hope the future of LSU Hoops has the usage of the glass and that nice fat white painted square.
It kills me watching so many college and NBA players today, miss so many close looks, especially fast driving slashes where some inertia needs to be taken out of the ball..
And/or wing/angled shots by smalls needing some elevation vs taller players..that don't use bank.
If players today would just watch a few hours footage of Iceman Gervin or Pistol Pete utilizing the glass to their advantage, taking the starch out of the ball..they'd deepen their repertoire and skillset.
amen. and that goes back to me talking about this team taking so many low percentage shots. Jones and mussleman have to be telling them off the court to cut that shite out
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:41 pm to tigerbait2010
The future isnt looking as bright as it could be so long as JJ refuses to coach in game.
Learn how to use time outs
Learn how to tell your players to STOP TAKING DUMB SHOTS
Learn how to coach a half court offense because we wont be on the fast break 100% of the time
Teach DEFENSE outside of blocking shots and allowing the other team umteen offensive boards every game
Who cares what talent we bring in when we continue to lose to inferior teams playing our way out of the NCAAT
Learn how to use time outs
Learn how to tell your players to STOP TAKING DUMB SHOTS
Learn how to coach a half court offense because we wont be on the fast break 100% of the time
Teach DEFENSE outside of blocking shots and allowing the other team umteen offensive boards every game
Who cares what talent we bring in when we continue to lose to inferior teams playing our way out of the NCAAT
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:45 pm to thunderbird1100
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Learn how to use time outs
Learn how to tell your players to STOP TAKING DUMB SHOTS
agreed as I said above. I doubt Jones and Mussleman are telling these guys in the film room they're taking smart shots
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Learn how to coach a half court offense because we wont be on the fast break 100% of the time
I agree, but we normally end up with great looks when we don't shoot the ball 5-10 seconds into the shot clock. that just goes back to our low basketball iq. some of that falls on Jones of course, but there's only so much the staff can tell the players
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Teach DEFENSE outside of blocking shots and allowing the other team umteen offensive boards every game
Jones is a coach who ideally loves to press, and LSU simply doesn't have the depth to run his defense.
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Who cares what talent we bring in when we continue to lose to inferior teams playing our way out of the NCAAT
well yeah, but lets not act like A&M isn't a respectable ball club. we absolutely should have won, but "inferior" is kind of hyperbolic to describe today's matchup
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:45 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
I agree. Martin drives and the ball goes like a bullet to the rim. If he could learn to shoot it higher and softer off the glass, he would finish much more often and not get blocked so much.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:51 pm to tigerbait2010
I watched the game today. I am no basketball guy by a long shot, as I have only watched in my lifetime, but never played other than pick up games. My thought is that it seems like all the tools are there, they just have discipline issues. They seemed to get confident and comfortable with the big lead and think to bury them by dropping 3's on them, rather than stay with what gave them the lead. They kept thinking they would hit the next big shot and the crowd would roar for them, rather than staying level and do what they do well. I believe, as many have said, it is part of the development of the system that Coach JJ is working on. Hopefully it continues to improve to the point that, once they get a lead, they can maintain the same focus and not change their mentality. This seems to be the main difference between LSU and the rest of the top 25.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:52 pm to tigerbait2010
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Believe me, no one is more confused than me as to why Jones hates timeouts given our lack of post depth.
I believe this shows his lack of confidence that the team will maintain the lead, being afraid he will need those timeouts in a close game at the end.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:53 pm to tigerbait2010
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well yeah, but lets not act like A&M isn't a respectable ball club. we absolutely should have won, but "inferior" is kind of hyperbolic to describe today's matchup
We have a lot more talent than the team we played today, I dont know how you can debate that.
We have 2 NBA forwards, an NBA guard and some solid college talent outside of that. This team is so much better than the record indicates and it all falls on JJ.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:54 pm to CalTiger53
quote:Really good point. Im very excited and optimistic for next year but if we do well next year it seems like gray hornsby m&m simmons and possibly blakeney will be gone. TQ has even turned some heads this year so we really need to hit the recruiting trail especially for big men. So it could be a pistol pete thing, keep jones until simmons is gone.
What is up after that?
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:56 pm to tigerbait2010
I still can't figure why Jones is so reluctant to call timeouts...especially when things are going bad. He seems to wait until we actually lose the lead. Maybe he just doesn't have a clue what to tell them..so just lets them try to change the momentum on their own. Phil Jackson hated to call timeouts to stop runs...but he had MJ
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